LIFE TO THE FULL w/ Nancy Campbell

EPISODE 302: Another January 6 Victim, Part 2

Rebecca Lavrenz continues her story today, and now we wait to hear her outcome.

Announcer: Welcome to the podcast, Life to The Full, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.

Nancy Campbell: Hello ladies, and young people, and children, and maybe even some of the fathers. Here I am again, with Rebecca Lavrenz. She is continuing to tell her January 6 story. So, where did we get up to last time, Rebecca? I think you had been arrested and put in chains. What happened after that?

Rebecca: I think when we left off, I was sitting in a prison cell. My ankles were shackled, and I was experiencing the love of God. After about an hour and half, after they shackled me on my ankles, the US marshal came up and escorted me up to the courtroom, where I was going to be read my charges and be arraigned. Of course, I had to shuffle with those shackles on my ankles.

The gentleman who was the US marshal who escorted me upstairs was very stern, angry looking. He was like, “Make sure you stay at least six feet away from me and follow the rules.” I felt like I was really being intimidated. Or they tried to intimidate me, make me feel like a criminal.

I got up there and saw all my patriot friends, about 30 or so patriot friends, and my son sitting in the gallery, waiting for me. That was really encouraging. They read me my charges. Not eventful. They said, “Do you agree to these?” I had to agree to turn my passport in. I had to agree to some probationary rules.

Nancy: Have you got your passport?

Rebecca: No.

Nancy: They still have it?

Rebecca: They still have it.

Nancy: So, you can’t leave the country.

Rebecca: No, I can’t leave the country.  Whenever I go from one state to the other, I have to let a probation officer know where I am, all the time.

Nancy: Oh, really? Wow! And you’ve even had trouble flying, haven’t you?

Rebecca: Yes.

Nancy: Oh, wow! What happens when you try to fly? When you did try to fly?

Rebecca: When I did try to fly, they wouldn’t print me out a boarding pass because it has a big red, it’s not a red-flag thing, so to speak. But it’s a big red security thing comes up, like I’m a security risk to the country. I didn’t get a boarding pass.

Nancy: Wow!

Rebecca: I have been able to get on when I wanted to go to something special, which was just one event in Virginia Beach about a year ago today. I went to the 1607 First Landing Project. It was a miracle that got me there. I had to go through a lot of different things with the help of my daughter.

Jennifer helped me get there. I made it, but I love to travel by car anyway, and have an adventure meeting different people along the way, like you. So, it’s fun. But I didn’t get a boarding pass. They treat us like we’re criminals. They want to intimidate us.

Nancy: I know! It’s unbelievable!

Rebecca: It’s awful to see this happening in our country.

Nancy: Yes. And, you know, they made this out to be such an insurrection. A lot of it was lies. In fact, it’s just come out now. It’s been proven that Liz Cheney, who was on the January 6 Committee, had suppressed information on how Donald Trump had asked for 10,000 National Guard troops to be assigned to protect the US Capitol on that January 6 day. But they suppressed all that information and put forth their lies instead.

And yet the year before, Black Lives Matter and Antifa had destroyed cities, and overturned cars, and set buildings on fire, and looted. Nothing happened to them at all. And here, innocent victims like you, just a beautiful, peaceful grandmother, being treated as criminals! It’s just amazing, isn’t it?

Rebecca: Yes. They call us “insurrectionists.” They call it “the breach,” but I believe they’ve already breached it when they broke the covenant that we have with America. We’re called to repair the breach. “A repairer of the breach”. That’s what I call myself. Isaiah 58:12 says that you’re going to be called “the repairer of the breach.” That’s what I believe I’m doing.

Nancy: “And the restorer of paths to dwell in.” It’s a wonderful Scripture, isn’t it?

Rebecca: It is, isn’t it?

Nancy: You were saying something to me about how you felt that we have broken covenant, really, with the original covenants that were made for this country. We talked about the Mayflower Compact covenant that was made when the Pilgrims came. They, of course, covenanted.

I have it written here. “In the Name of God, Amen!” That’s how they started off. I like that. Don’t you? “We whose names are underwritten,” and it goes on, “having undertaken for the glory of God, and the advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern part of Virginia.” It goes on.

But there was another covenant, even before that, wasn’t there? 1607. You’ve got that covenant there. I think, ladies, you would love to hear this covenant. This was actually the very first covenant that was made for America. You read it, Rebecca. I think it’s amazing myself.

Rebecca: Yes, I was privileged to attend the rededication of the first landing covenant, which was in 1607, the first landing at Cape Henry in Virginia.

Nancy: And those people came on three ships, didn’t they? The Susan Constance, the Godspeed, and the Discovery. Three ships. We don’t hear about them so much. We hear about the Mayflower, but these three came first.

Rebecca: Exactly. They landed on the outermost part of our eastern coast at that time. That was Cape Henry. There were 144 men on those three ships, men and boys. There was a pastor on that ship named Robert Hunt. This was his declaration. He set up a cross on Cape Henry. They still have a cross there. It’s not the same one because that was a wooden cross. I believe they carried that cross on the ship. This is their declaration that they made, which I just love:

“We do hereby dedicate this Land, and ourselves, to reach the People within these shores with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to raise up Godly generations after us, and with these generations take the Kingdom of God to all the earth. May this Covenant of Dedication remain to all generations, as long as this earth remains, and may this Land, along with England, be Evangelist to the World. May all who see this Cross, remember what we have done here, and may those who come here to inhabit join us in this Covenant and in this most noble work that the Holy Scriptures may be fulfilled. On these very shores, the Gospel shall go forth, not only to this new world, but the entire world.”

There’s a reference that goes with it in Psalm 22:27-28: “All the ends of the world shall remember, and turn to the Lord. And all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee, for the kingdom is the LORD’S, and He rules all the nations.”

Nancy: I just love that! That is the very first covenant declaration over this country. It wasn’t just for them. Two times in this declaration it says: “For the generations to come.” That’s us now. That was their vision, not just for them, but for now--That it would be a country where the gospel would go forth, not only in this country, but out to the whole world.

Isn’t it sad to see where our country is, at this present time? But we have hope. We could just feel like, OK, this is the end. America is the last bastion of freedom in this world. We’ve got to hang onto it, and believe for it, and pray. I don’t believe God is finished with America yet. I believe it was set up to be a shining light on a hill. I think that if God’s people will get a vision to pray, because God has promised . . .

We know 2 Chronicles 7:14. Well, I hope we know it. I think every Christian should know this Scripture by heart: “If My people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” My vision, my longing, is that families everywhere will begin to pray for this land, and to pray for a great revival, and to pray for a great turning back to God.

I think it starts with families. It doesn’t start with the church. Yes, the church should be a praying church, but the first institution that God ordained was the family—marriage and family. That was the very first institution. Then came church. Then came the government. Now we’ve got it all the wrong way around. Government is becoming tyrannical, trying to put their thing upon us, and make us conform.

But in God’s economy the family comes first. The family has given over too much to the government. We are meant to take responsibility for the government in the family. I believe prayer starts in the family. But there are too few praying families.

There was a time when what was known as the “family altar” was part of every godly home, where they would come as a family, and listen to the Word of God as the father read God’s Word. Then they would pray. They did that morning and evening. That was typical. That was normal for godly families. That is rare today.

I know many of you have the family altar. You do family devotions together as a family. That’s so wonderful. Keep it up. Don’t let it go, because every time you let other things come in, and “Oh, this is happening. OK, well, we’ll do this.” And then you miss that time of prayer! Well, the devil’s really happy, because he doesn’t want prayer! When you’re praying against the works of the enemy, and you’re praying against the works of the devil, wow, he doesn’t like that. He’s going to try and stop you from gathering your family to pray.

Don’t you worry. He’ll bring every excuse. He’ll make everything happen that you can’t do it. But you can do it. You have to make it happen. That’s what we do in our family. We make it happen. It is the most important part of every single day, because it is the most important thing we can do. I believe our nation depends on it.

Look, can you imagine, if every Christian family gathered their family every morning and every evening to pray for the nation? God would answer those prayers. He said if we will pray and cry out to Him, He will hear us, and heal our land. We’re desperate for the healing of our land, aren’t we? I believe it starts with families.

Rebecca: I’ve got to say something. I missed a part that I should have said about that. The day that they arrested me was a Monday at 10 o’clock in the morning. That day was the very time that I have had a prayer meeting with a few other ladies, every morning for five years now. That’s the day they wanted to arrest me. The enemy doesn’t want, like Nancy says, for us to pray.

Nancy: Oh, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

Rebecca: Yes, it is. And the other thing that one of my favorite verses for my calling is that I believe God wants to restore families.  In Ephesians 3:15, it talks about: “Of whom every family on the earth is named.”

Nancy: I know.

Rebecca: He has named every one of our families. We have a generational calling. We have an assignment that’s on each of our lives. I have a daughter who works for the Trump campaign. That’s the calling that our family has, to be involved in the governmental arena, and with leadership, to really raise up our godly nation. I think we need to take that very seriously. Whatever your family calling is, you need to find that out from God, and really walk in it. Listen and obey.

Nancy: Amen! Because this covenant declaration is for the generations. I love that.

Rebecca: God has a multi-generational calling for us. He’s not forgotten about the nations. He’s called every nation for a specific assignment and purpose in our country. As it says in that covenant, in the 1607 Covenant, it says that we will be evangelists to the world. That’s why the enemy hates us. He doesn’t want the Word of God and the gospel to go out to all the nations. If he can do anything to stop it, he’s going to do that. That’s why he’s trying to shut our voices up. But Nancy and I won’t be quiet! [laughter]

Nancy: We will not be silent.

Rebecca: No, we won’t be silent.

Nancy: So, you were also talking to me about how we began this nation on covenants. But really, we’ve become a covenant-breaking nation, haven’t we?

Rebecca: Yes, we have, Nancy. For several years I’ve been involved with a ministry, and some dear friends of mine, with Family Foundations International. One of the basic tenets of their ministry is marriage covenants. I remember telling Craig not too long ago, probably five years ago, “I just want God to give me a platform to share the importance of marriage covenants.”

The reason I bring that up is because ever since I was a child, I always knew that if you got married, it was until death do you part. I know in 1 Corinthians 7, Paul says that you should be married until death do you part. It’s a covenant broken only by death.

I married my high school sweetheart, loved him very dearly. He loved me, but there were some things and issues in his life that he could never really get right with God and take care of them. I had a very troubled marriage. There was a lot of adultery and things like that. I knew though, that I would always remain faithful to my husband, no matter what. We did have to separate for a while because of the adultery, but we never were divorced, and I remained faithful because God says He hates divorce and remarriage.

This may sound contrary to a lot of people, but my belief is that covenant is what our country was based on. Marriage covenants are also are covenants, and God takes covenants very seriously. I have to share this story. I shared it with Nancy this morning, and she said, “Say whatever you want today.”

A couple of weeks ago, it was on a Sunday. I was getting ready. I was going to do a radio interview in a few days. I think that was probably on my heart. “OK, God, what do You want me to share?” I had gone to bed, probably late. I usually try to get to bed a little earlier than that. I was up late, so I didn’t think I’d sleep.

I thought I might sleep in, but all of a sudden, at 5:30 I heard this knock at the door. I live out in country, and I have a door knocker on my door. I have a large house, and all of a sudden I woke up. Somebody is knocking on my door knocker at 5:30 in the morning. I thought, “Who in the world would be here?” I looked out my window, and I didn’t see anybody there. I sat up abruptly.

All of a sudden I realized that this is not Eli calling me, like in the Bible. This is not somebody. God’s calling me! I woke up, and immediately God was starting to share with me. “The reason your country has so much turmoil, and why your covenant through your country is falling down, is because you’ve broken my marriage covenant.”

It’s not just the covenants we have, the two covenants that Nancy and I read about and talked about just a few minutes ago. It’s the covenant of marriage. We have broken that, because not just the world, but we have taken on the world’s ways. If we don’t feel good about our husband, or if we feel like he’s betrayed us, or he’s committed adultery, we need to break that covenant. God’s not happy with that.

Just like we have so many people crossing the broken-down barriers around  our border, I believe that our country has been broken down. The enemy is coming and can steal because we have broken our marriage covenant. I felt like God was saying that to me very clearly when I woke up that Sunday morning about two weeks ago. I feel like part of my voice is to say that.

We, as a nation, like Nancy has said in 2 Chronicles, “If My people will humble themselves and pray, and turn from their wicked ways . . .” I believe part of that wicked way is accepting divorce and remarriage in the body of Christ as normal. We have said it’s OK, and because we have said that, and done that, we have grieved the heart of God. Because I do spend a lot of time with God, I do spend a lot of time. The cry of my heart is to know Him and to know His ways. I believe He will speak to us if we listen to Him carefully.

As a nation, I think we need to repent of breaking covenants with our marriages. Then God will restore our land, because when God says to repent and turn from our ways, it’s because we’ve put other. . . When He said that in 2 Chronicles, He was saying that we have left our first love. We have not obeyed God. Even in Ephesians 5, it says our marriages and our families should represent Christ and the church.

If we can’t love somebody, does God not love us when we mess up? Yes, my husband messed up. I haven’t done everything right. I haven’t loved him the way I should. But is He going to say, “Time’s up! X out. You’re out of my life. I can’t take you back”? No, He will take us back, and He’s always faithful to us. We need to repent and say, “God, will You forgive me?”

This is not meant as a condemnation to anyone who has been divorced, but it’s to acknowledge what God really says about that; repent and receive His forgiveness, but don’t pass it on to the next generation. That’s part of my message, to repent from that, and God will repair the breach if we repent first. That’s important.

God has done wonderful things in my life as I stayed faithful to my covenant marriage. My husband passed away eight years ago. God is faithful. We need to be faithful. If we repent, I think He will repair our country and give us those paths to dwell, and the streets where we can walk freely, without being stolen from—and stolen elections. As a people, we’re the ones who are called to return to a godly nation.

Nancy: Yes, amen. I guess you know, as you look back, and your husband has now passed away, you must feel so glad that you didn’t divorce.

Rebecca: Yes. There was a time when I felt that we were divorced. The records in the county say that we’re not. I’m very pleased and happy that God is always faithful, even when we haven’t been faithful to Him.

Nancy: You were sharing with me about something a friend of yours shared. What was that now?

Rebecca: This is really a confirmation to me. About a year ago, I was talking to a new friend of mine at a meeting I was at. It was a Republican meeting. She’d been married to a high official in our government. She said to me this statement I’ll never forget. “Every time there is a divorce, a little piece of America dies.”

That didn’t come from my mouth. That was from another believer in God. I believe that is true. America is dying because of that. If we will repent, just like 2 Chronicles 7 says, we will restore our country, and God will heal our land. That’s my message.

Nancy: I think there are so many areas where we need to turn back to Him. What does the Word say? “Judgement begins at the house of God.” It starts with the believers repenting and turning back, and crying out to God. How I long to see this, because I want to see this nation healed. I want to see this vision fulfilled a godly nation. Yes, because I believe that is God’s intention.

Ungodly laws, and OK, this is a free nation. People can come to this nation who have all kinds of beliefs. They can be atheists. That doesn’t matter. They’re welcome to come. But we still want it to be founded on godly principles. They are erasing. What does it say? “If the foundations,” the Psalmist cried out, “if the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3).

Well, what can we do? We have to build them again. We have to pray them back in. We have to build them back in. Of course, that starts with families again. It starts with families. Their hearts being turned back to families. Fathers, the hearts of the fathers being turned to their children, the hearts of the mothers being turned back to their homes.

We have become a generation, even in the church, where there are more mothers out in the workforce than there are at home. That’s not God’s intention. God gave His plan for the male and the female. The male was meant to be the one who got out there and earned the bread; who protected and provided for his family, and was the priest of his home. God has always intended the mother to be there in the heart of the home, raising the children, embracing children, training the children, making the home the most wonderful place on earth. That is the plan.

Even in the church, there are people who reject that plan. But that’s the biblical plan. That’s there in the Word. That’s what we see. We’ve got to get back to God’s ways, because the family is fragmenting because of women leaving the home. The Bible says that the fathers’ hearts will turn back to the children. I think that includes the mothers’ hearts too. We need a turning back to God’s original plan. Amen?

Rebecca: Amen! I remember my father saying that back in the 1960’s. He said the breakdown of our country started when women thought they had to work outside the home.

Nancy: Yes, that’s so true, because that’s when the devil can get ahold of our children’s hearts  if the mother is not there. A mother needs to be there for her children. Today I think another thing, of course, is the humanists, and the socialists, and the liberals have taken over our education system.

There was a time, many, many years ago, when you could send your children to school and know they’ve been taught the basic things they need to be taught, instead of all this sex education, and transgender; everything that’s against God and His Word.

I was reading on the internet the other day of some of the horrific things that are happening in some of the schools. I can’t even imagine how any godly parents can allow their children to be there! There was a time when we didn’t face such things. But we are today. We have to be aware of the times.

As it says about the tribe of Issachar, “They had understanding of the times, to know what Israel should do.” I think we have to have understanding of the times now, to know what we should do. There was a time when maybe you could send your children to school, and they would receive a basic, good education. Now, even the education is failing as they are being taught all this terrible stuff. It’s been pushed on our children. How can we even send them to those places? Wow! We’ve got to pull them out.

I often think of how David, before he went and killed Goliath, he had some practice. He had even killed lions who had come to get his little lambs. He said how he even put his hand in the mouth of the lion, and pulled out his lamb. I think that’s what some parents have to do today. They’ve got to go in and pull their little lambs, and their children, out of this evil system! Imagine if every Christian did this, and pulled them out? Well, goodness me, their system would economically fall flat. Then they’d have to change.

Christians have such power to influence the nation, if we would only stand up! Just think of when they took prayer out of schools, and when they took the Word of God out of schools. Then what happened? Christian parents did nothing. Imagine if they’d all pulled their children out of schools? Well, they’d soon have to change their ways, wouldn’t they? We have to act, don’t we? We have to speak up, and act up.

Was there anything else on your heart that you want to share, as we’re getting to the end of this session?

Rebecca: This one thing came to mind. I was thinking of Martin Luther, and of course that is attributed to him. I don’t know if it is, in fact. But I don’t know how to quote it all exactly. But he said that if you, as a Christian, are not fighting against what the devil is fighting for the most, then you’re not really professing Christianity at that moment.

And I believe the danger that our country is in, especially since we do have Covenants and a Constitution. Many, many countries don’t have a covenant like we have. I don’t think any do, other than Israel. God made a covenant with Israel, but we made a covenant in 1607 and 1620 with God.

That covenant has been broken, and it’s broken because we have broken it. Not only that covenant, but marriage covenants. We’ve been flippantly saying that those covenants are not OK. The enemy is fighting us so strongly because of that. I think that if we repent, then God will restore. He will close those borders up, and we’ll get back our godly country.

Nancy: Yes. Oh, how we need those borders closed!

Rebecca: Amen!

Nancy: Oh, wow! Yes! Are you praying, lovely ladies? I’m often asking you this question, aren’t I? We often talk about this, but, oh, I can’t really talk about it enough, because I find that so few are still doing it. We’ve got to get back, as families, to pray together, and cry out to God for this nation. And cry out for great revival, and turning back, because let’s believe that this nation will turn around! Amen?

Rebecca: America will arise. It will rise again, and we’ll come back because God is God.

Nancy: I’d like to close by reading this again. This 1607 Covenant on the very first landing, when they came to the States. We always think of the Mayflower and the Pilgrims coming but these were the first people who came. Let’s read this dedication again, because it’s for us today. It was for the generations.

“We do hereby dedicate this Land, and ourselves, to reach the People within these shores with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to raise up Godly generations after us.” This is what we are doing now, lovely mothers. We’re not only raising children for today. We’re raising generations to come.

Well, we don’t know how long it will be until the Lord comes. I know we’re always taught that we’ve got to be ready. He could come at any moment. But as I read the Word of God, and I read promises that have yet to be fulfilled in Israel, many things that are yet to be fulfilled, I wonder when will the Lord come? I’ve always wanted to be one of those who goes out when the Lord comes.

I remember that was the dream of my mother, that she wanted to go up with the shout, and the voice of the archangel. But she didn’t. I sometimes wonder whether I even will. It may be the next generation, or the next. But in the meantime, we keep building and raising godly generations. Amen?

Rebecca: Amen!

Nancy: “And with these generations take the Kingdom of God to all the earth. May this Covenant of Dedication remain to all generations, as long as this earth remains, and may this Land, along with England, be Evangelist to the World. May all who see this Cross,” and it’s still there today. Well, not the original, but there’s still a cross right there on Cape Henry to remind us.

“And to remember what we have done here, and may those who come here to inhabit join us in this Covenant and in this most noble work that the Holy Scriptures may be fulfilled. On these very shores, the Gospel shall go forth, not only to this new world, but the entire world.” Amen and amen.

Let’s believe for this to take place. Especially the greatest thing that we can do in this nation, dear mothers, is to raise godly generations, to raise children who are godly children, who will come forth from our homes to bear witness to the revelation of who God is, and be His Image in the earth, and to take out His truth His gospel.

I think of Malachi 2, where it’s talking about marriage. God says: “I hate divorce.” Well, he loves divorced people, but He hates the spirit of divorce, because it touches the godly seed. He says, “What do I want from your marriage?” Then we read, and the answer comes forth from God Himself. “I want a godly offspring.”

That’s what God is looking for in our children. That word “godly” in the Hebrew is Elohim. I never fail to be in awe as I read this, because Elohim is the Name of God. It’s the first name we read in the Bible. “In the beginning, Elohim.” This Scripture says: “I want Elohim children. I want children who bear My Image, who reveal who I am.”

Precious mothers, we have the greatest career in this nation. We have the highest career. There is nothing more powerful than pouring into our children His truth from the Scriptures, and His ways, and praying into their lives, that they will become these godly children. Godly offspring. Elohim offspring. As we raise these children, that is going to change the nation, because the nation will be what the next generation will be. Amen?

Rebecca: That’s why I would suggest, go to my website, https://restoringgodlyculture.com/.

Nancy: Amen. Did you get that? https://restoringgodlyculture.com/. There you’ll be able to keep up with Rebecca and her story. Now you’re getting this podcast. She will already have done her court case. We’ll be waiting to hear. You’ll be able to find out what is happening by going to that website. Amen.

Rebecca: Thank you, Nancy.

Nancy: The Lord bless you all.

“I pray, Father, for each one listening today. I pray that You’ll bless their lives. I pray that You’ll give them a vision for this nation, and where they’re living in all their nations around the world. Many are listening in different nations. I pray that God will give you such a burden for your nation, and to pray for your nation. Let’s all become praying families. Lord, I pray that you’ll put the spirit of prayer upon every family listening. In the Name of Jesus. Amen.”

Blessings from Nancy Campbell

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THE UPDATE:

You’ll be wanting to know what happened to Rebecca as she spent nine days in court in Washington DC. I’ll share some writings from her and others.

FROM HER LAWYER:

“My client, Rebecca Lavrenz, a 71-year-old great-grandmother and nurse, followed a peaceful group into the Capitol on January 6^th. She didn't speak a word while inside the building for 10 minutes. She prayed in silence and walked with the group.

Two years later, Rebecca turned herself in to Federal Marshals after the FBI came to her home. She was treated like a violent and dangerous criminal: handcuffed with a belly chain around her waist and placed in ankle chains.

Through my organization, the National Constitutional Law Union (NCLU), I represented her to the best of my ability, returning to my Harvard Law roots. Still, the verdict would have been the same regardless of my effort.

This was a disgusting show trial. The Department of Justice followed the same playbook as the other J6 trials. They obstructed, deceived, and placed Capitol Hill Police on the stand to literally shed tears about their fear on January 6^th of the “Praying Grandma.”

We cannot give up the fight for Rebecca and must move on to the appeal process.

Rebecca will be sentenced on August 12^th. She faces a sentence of up to three years in federal prison and fines of up to $210,000.

My job before then is to pour myself and NCLU's staff into defending Rebecca's character. She has never been in any type of trouble and has no criminal history. On January 6^th, she damaged nothing inside the Capitol—she didn't even make a sound!

Regardless of the sentencing, the guilty verdict imposed on Mrs. Lavrenz is nothing more than political payback by Biden and the Deep State bureaucrats in the federal government who believe their job is to control the American people, not SERVE the American people!

We must appeal ANY sentence imposed on Rebecca, but it will cost us tens of thousands of dollars.

John M. Pierce
Chairman and Founder
National Constitutional Law Union

REBECCA WRITES:

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April 2^nd

“This pretty well sums up the day from my daughter Laura, "Mom, when this is all over, we're going to write a book and go to law school TOGETHER!!!"

It's interesting how it feels being in a trial where I'm accused of criminal activity and called a "rioter" by the United States of America. . . "my country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty" while being shown on a screen 1/2 the day, along with 14 jurors, video footage of thousands of people waving their American flags and shouting U.S.A.! 

April 4^th

“I am in utter disbelief by today's verdict. Never in my life did I imagine that my own government would charge me as a criminal for exercising my religious liberties and rights to free speech, which are guaranteed by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. They are trying to stop our voices, put fear in our hearts and take away the inalienable rights given to us by God.

But I will not let that happen to this praying great-grandma as long as I have breath. I've never considered myself a victim and I'm not about to start now. I'm taking a deep breath, finding a place to rest for the night as we head back to Colorado, then will spend some extra time with God to find out His plan for what's next.

I had thousands of people around the world who know how to pray, praying on this case, and because of that I believe my Father wanted it to turn out this way so my voice for Him and our country could be amplified LOUDER! All that has transpired over the last 9 days gave me a first- hand experience that the situation in our country is worse than many people realize, and they need to be alerted. I will be that VOICE!

Thanks for all your prayers and support these last nine days. God does have a plan and we WILL "Make America Godly Again!

Sentencing is August 12, and I will be appealing my case.”

April 7th

“Now, officially a federal criminal, no longer "alleged," after the verdict of "GUILTY " by the U.S. Government, I will be in a probationary period until August 12 when I will be back in our nation's Capitol to be sentenced. During this period I'll be watched and examined for what kind of a citizen I am, in order to determine the severity of the punishment I should receive for my crimes. 

More tears as I consider how far our country has fallen . . . not for what could happen to me but for the blindness that covers the eyes of those who are trying their best to offend with words like the following in an email I received today: "I'm really happy that you were found guilty. I hope you serve the full year, traitor. I hope the other inmates beat you daily. If it was up to me, you would have been tried for treason and punished accordingly. May you rot."  I will forgive this person and pray for him.”

OUR PERSONAL STORY:

I shared this little bit of our personal story at the end of transcript 301. I am sharing it again in case you didn’t read it because most of the nation was brainwashed about January 6. My husband and I experienced it as one of the most wonderful days of our lives, and although we were all around the Capitol for over three hours, we never saw anything except peaceful patriots enjoying this wonderful day.

“My husband, Colin and I were very blessed to attend the STOP THE STEAL Rally on January 6. After the rally we walked up Pennsylvania Avenue with thousands of others to the Capitol. We must have spent two or three hours around the capital, mingling with thousands of others. The amazing thing was that we never saw any violence at all. Those who entered the Capitol (and the doors were opened by the Capitol police, and you will have seen videos of them welcoming people in!) must have done so from another door or at a different time as we never noticed anything untoward.

At one time we saw about 40 – 50 police walk out of the Capitol, two abreast. They walked right in front of us, close to us. But not one of them said one word to us. They never told anyone to leave. They never said, “There has been an insurrection. All people must leave.” They never opened their mouths.

In the late afternoon, we thought we had better walk back to our hotel after a wonderful and joyful time. Then we began to get phone calls from our grandchildren. “Nana and Granddad, are you alright? They are telling us on TV that terrible things have been happening!” We had no idea what they were talking about and yet we were right there with thousands of others and hadn’t seen a thing!

~ Nancy

 

 

LIFE TO THE FULL w/ Nancy Campbell

EPISODE 301: Another January 6 Victim

Today I introduce to you Rebecca Lavrenz. She is on her way to Washington DC for her court trial. On January 6, 2021, Rebecca, a great-grandmother drove all the way from Colorado for the Rally.

In the afternoon she noticed people walking into the Capitol, so she followed them in. She walked around for 10 minutes and walked out! Later she was arrested by the FBI for walking into the People’s Capitol, and now waits for her trial.

Announcer: Welcome to the podcast, Life to The Full, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.

Nancy Campbell: Hello, wonderful ladies! Always so great to be with you. Now, at the moment, I’m in the middle of our series. We’re talking about all the different words that God calls our children. Remember, I was talking to you about “kids,” the word that everybody uses for their children. But it’s not a biblical word. We are talking about better words to call our children.

But, however, I’m going to have to let that go today. We’re going to come back to it because I’ve still got lots more to tell you there. But today, I have a very special guest all the way from Colorado. She and her daughter have come to stay with us this weekend.

Actually, Rebecca is her name, Rebecca Lavrenz. Rebecca is on her way to Washington DC, where tomorrow, wow, is it tomorrow? No, it will be next week. The 25^th of March, she will be going to court for having been in the Capitol on January 6, 2021. OK, have I got your ears? You’re going to want to hear this story.

Colin, my husband, and myself were very, very blessed to be in Washington DC for that rally on January 6. I have to say, it was one of the most wonderful days of our lives. It was so amazing! That seems an incredible testimony, doesn’t it, when you hear all these things about that day, and people saying it was an insurrection and all these terrible things that happened.

Well, I have to tell you that I didn’t see one thing happen! Maybe I’ll tell you more as we go along, but we’re going to start off, and we’re going to hear Rebecca’s story, because she also went that day.

Wow! Now, here you are, and you’re on your way to a court case. So, Rebecca, it’s so wonderful to have you with us. You have a story to tell, and maybe you’ll just start from the very beginning. How did you even get the vision to go to that day?

Rebecca: Well, it sounds like we’re talking about The Sound of Music when you say, “Let’s start at the very beginning, right? [laughter] Well, first of all, I want to say, thank you, Nancy. I’ve followed you and your magazine since the ‘90’s. One of my sisters turned me on to your magazine, and I just loved it, because it goes back to very godly values that I think we’ve lost in our country. That’s very important, and I really, really appreciate you having me on the call and standing up for the values that are on God’s heart.

That’s where my story begins, because ever since I was born again in my teens, and I’m in my ‘70’s now, I made that decision that when I became a Christian, my life was no longer my own. As someone else has said, “I didn’t coin this phrase.” No, I’m just a coin in Jesus’ pocket. Use me however You want, and I’ve realized that.

One of the really foundational Scriptures that is important to me is that Jesus said to deny yourself. “Take up your cross and follow Me” and love Him with all your heart. Because that’s always been foundational in my heart. I’ve always made my mission in life to seek God with all of my heart, all of my soul, and to make Him Number One.

I kind of began my actual journey to the Capitol on January 6, probably at the end of December. My oldest son lives in Colorado Springs; I live just outside of Colorado Springs on five acres. He texted me, called me, and said, “Mom, are you thinking of going to the “Stop the Steal Rally” in Washington DC?”

I said, “Well, I hadn’t really considered it at all,” because I do have a bed and breakfast in Colorado, and I had some guests coming. My daughter, who sometimes runs things for me, was out of town. He said, “Well, Mom, I really think you need to pray about it.”

He had actually had a word for me back in October, my oldest son. It was quite interesting. He had a word for every one of his siblings as well as me. He said, in that little word, and I look back at it often, he said, “You are a pioneer, not only in prayer, but in action. You go places where other people won’t go.”

I thought of that later on, as you will see my story unfold. At the end of December, first of January, he said, “I think you need to pray about it, Mom.” I said, “OK, I’ll pray about it.” It didn’t take me too long after praying to feel like God really wanted me to go on this trip. I thought, “Oh, God, but how’s it going to work?” All the different details I had to work out. I was 68 at the time.

But then He said, “Rebecca, if you take on this venture, it’s going to extend your life, and you’re going to have so much joy and adventure.” I got excited about it. “Oh, this is going to be fun. It’s going to be an adventure. I’ve got to go after what God wants me to do.”

I’ve always been a believer in staying close to God. I spend a lot of time in quiet time with God because I want to hear His heart. That’s what I value too, about this call, is because I know the people who are listening to this, as well as you, Nancy, are listening to what God wants. Hopefully I’m listening to God’s heart.

I got excited about it and made the decision to go. My daughter, Jennifer came home to take care of things at my property. Then I woke up the next morning after my decision, and I looked at my bank checking account. I realized there was a $600 deposit, stimulus from President Trump. I thought, “Oh, my goodness! Here I’ve got the money for gas!”

Typically, it’s a long way from Colorado to Washington DC. My son said, “Mom, I know you won’t fly, because you never wear a mask. They might have to deal with that on the plane. It’s only 25 hours. You can make it.” I thought, “Oh, good! That’s another adventure!”

Nancy: So, you did it by yourself?

Rebecca: Yes.

Nancy: Wow, that is amazing!

Rebecca: I knew I was going to be very focused. I knew when I made the decision to go that I would fast and pray, because I wanted to really hear God, and not my own thoughts.

I got in the car the morning of the fourth, drove halfway, to St Louis, and the next drove the rest of the way to Washington DC. I got there in the evening and met up with my son and my grandson who were also going. Of course, I was tired from driving all day, but I still went back to the room in the house where my other daughter was working for the Republican National Committee.

She was out of town that day, so she said, “Stay in my room, Mom. It’s only $4 in the Capitol.” I went to bed that night. The next day I got up and left around 10 o’clock. I’ve got to tell this little story to you, if we have time.

Nancy: Yes!

Rebecca: When I left Colorado, I thought, “Well, I’d better make sure I have everything red, white, and blue, right?” So, I found a white scarf that belonged to my daughter Laura, and then I had a red-and-white scarf that belonged to my favorite aunt. She shared the same birthday with me. Her name was Laura. Both of those ladies, my daughter, and my aunt, were named “Laura.”

Thinking about it later, I realized, because names mean so much to me, and also to God, I looked up the name “Laura.” I already knew the name “Laura” means “victorious one.” It was really exciting, because we’re going into this in victory. I thought, “We’re going to the Capitol. I’m going here with millions, thousands, millions,” I know you know, Nancy. We saw that sea of people.

Nancy: Oh, yes! I think there must have been at least two million people. When we were at the Rally, you looked back, and you couldn’t even see the end of the crowd. It was so amazing!

Rebecca: Yes, it was amazing. We think there were two million, I just learned yesterday. Nancy, you had that class last night on American Covenant and there was a quiz. When the Revolutionary War started, they said there were two million people in the United States at that time.

Nancy: That was two million Christians, they said.

Rebecca: Oh, two million Christians!

Nancy: That was interesting.

Rebecca: Interesting! So, going back to the story, I got there, and like Nancy said, there was such peace and joy. Just a real patriotic feeling when we got there. I got there about ten o’clock, and I felt such an excitement.

Nancy: Now, you went straight to the Capitol, didn’t you?

Rebecca: Yes.

Nancy: We went to the Rally first. That was really amazing, with people all around us. So patriotic. I think one of the most beautiful times was walking up from the Rally, right up Pennsylvania Avenue, right up to the Capitol. Everyone was walking, and they were walking up other streets as well.

But Pennsylvania Avenue was crowded. People were singing hymns and singing patriotic songs. Yes, lots of placards with “Stop the Steal,” but also lots of placards with Bible verses, lifting up Jesus. It was so amazing.

Rebecca: Yes, I remember that right beside me, where I was, there were a couple of Asian ladies blowing shofars. It was very much a time of rejoicing, knowing that we were standing up for our country. I think that’s what’s so encouraging to me, even as I go along this journey this past year since I was arrested.

It’s exciting to know that there are millions of people who really do love our country. That’s why we’re here, right? On this podcast, to get the voice out there. We’re not outnumbered. There are millions of people who love our country. We are speaking out, because we want to save it. Our country’s in trouble!

But nothing’s impossible to God. He’s the One. Nancy and I were talking this morning about His government. The government is upon His shoulders, and He will bring it back in order (Isaiah 9:7). So, we have to rely on Him.

Back to my story. I was there, meeting lots of people, like Nancy was, in a different area. I got there, and then I realized I had actually positioned myself. I said, “How can this happen, that I’m right smack-dab in the front of the Capitol doors on the east side of the Capitol?” And right across from the Supreme Court which I think is another important significance, because to me, that represents truth and justice, the Supreme Court.

I was standing in the front of there and I texted my daughter back home. I said, “I don’t know what I feel. This feels interesting that God would place me, that I would be able to stand right in the front. What is God doing in my life?” I said, “I don’t know if I feel like going to the Ellipse.” I had the opportunity, of course, but I thought, “Oh, I don’t know if I want to walk all the way over there or not.”

So, I stayed on the east side of the Capitol and walked around and met a few more people. I was there probably an hour and a half. I looked to the left of me, and there was a platform where there were some people who were worshipping God on this microphone. They were praying and singing, as you said. They were pointing to the Capitol and decreeing and declaring things over the Capitol building.

I thought, “Oh, I’m going to walk over there!” I thought that would be a little diversion. So, I walked over there. Before I even got to the platform, before I got to the grassy area where that platform was, all of a sudden, the Spirit of God fell over me. I could sense the presence of God come on me. I couldn’t even stand up, Nancy. I had to sit down, and I started weeping.

I started crying and crying. I realized at that moment, I was crying and interceding for my country. It was an overwhelming experience. I’ve had those kinds of experiences a few times in my life, but not very often. I knew it was about God and our country.

Then I got up, walked over, and watched what was going on. Then, all of a sudden, the boldness of God came over me. I felt like I needed to ask if I could pray on that platform. They were done singing, and I asked them. They said, “Sure, go ahead!”

I got up there, and I felt led to pray the 1620 Mayflower Compact, which is a covenant that we have that our Pilgrim forefathers made in 1620 before they got off that Mayflower ship.

Nancy: That’s right! They made it on the ship, before they even got off.

Rebecca: Before they even got off. They knew that there was a bigger purpose than just themselves, that they were willing to die for. Half the people died anyway, but they knew they were here for a purpose.

I declared on that platform that this country would give glory to God and advance the Christian faith. That’s about all I said. Got off, and then I went right back to where I was before. It was about noon, and that same place was open! Standing right before the barricades stationed at the front door.

I felt like we were standing for God. I’m praying quietly to myself and saying this country will listen to the truth. This is our last bastion of hope, almost, because I felt like I’d been involved in a lot of grassroots things in the end of 2020, with helping develop leadership, and some other areas to create more awareness about what was going on. The plandemic wasn’t right.

I just felt that Trump won the election, that our country would take the right procedures to go through, and nothing was working. But then I said, “We’re here, because this country is about “We the People.” The people who work in those offices were elected by us, and they need to hear our voice.” Not necessarily a specific voice, but just the presence of so many people being there.

Nancy: Yes, just being there. I think that’s really why most people went, just to be there, to be a stand, to say, “We realize this election has been stolen. This is not right. We’re standing for truth, and for righteousness, and for justice.”

Rebecca: Yes, and the principles that our Founding Fathers established in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, all those founding documents. We are still the United States of America. We believe in those principles and values, and we came together.

Nancy: And “We the people,” that’s how it starts. “We the people.” We’re not meant to be governed by tyranny. It’s “We the People.”

Rebecca: We believe that, and I know you do too, because you’re a very strong believer in that. Thomas Jefferson, and I’m not quoting it exactly right, said, “When the people fear the government, that’s tyranny. But when the government fears us, that’s freedom.” That’s what we wanted. We want freedom. We don’t want them to be afraid of us. This is who we are.

Fast forward. I think it was about noon when I got back. Then I remember at one point, there was somebody shaking the barricades, the bike racks. The person right beside me said, “Don’t do that! Don’t do that!” They were stopped. They weren’t wanting that. We weren’t.

About two o’clock or so, I don’t remember the time frame. All of a sudden, I don’t know how it happened, but the barriers just came down. The barriers came down, and all of us decided, “Well, let’s go forward!” Then we went across the plaza, walked up the steps. We were standing up there. I had this sense in me.

I remember texting my daughter at home. or calling, and saying, “Jennifer, I believe that if those doors open, God wants me to go through.” She said, “OK, whatever the Holy Spirit says to you, go for it!” I remember somebody blowing a shofar right next to me. We were standing there, looking at the doors. All of a sudden, I saw that they were open, and I started moving in with the rest of them.

I went into that Capitol building, Nancy, and all I could see, and you will understand this, was the faces . . . I have seven grandchildren, and I saw the three youngest ones. At that time, I think they were 8, 6, and 4, or a little bit younger. I could see their faces, and I said, “I will not let this country go down to Marxism or socialism on my watch.”

I’m a very strong prayer warrior, and I know God’s Word says that “Faith without works is dead.” I’m not going to let my faith be dead here. I’m active, and I was in there, and I felt like I was at the right place at the right time. “For such a time as this,” because our country’s in trouble, and I’m going to do my civic duty. Not just the civic duty. God created our nation, and I am doing what’s on God’s heart.

I was in there, and I felt this exuberance inside me, that I was doing what God wanted me to do. I got in there. It was probably about a quarter to three, something around that time. I walked around a little bit within the ropes. Never said anything, didn’t do anything disruptive. No violence or pushing. I didn’t see anything. In fact, I heard people in the background saying, “Don’t do any violence!”

People were peaceful, and still the same as they were outside, not creating any violence. I walked down a hall because I felt we wanted our presence to be even clearer before the congressmen. All of a sudden, a guy in front of me turned around. I said, “Why are we turning around and going?” He said, “We’re just going out because the congressmen have already left the building.”

To me, that was confirmation too, that our purpose was not to create violence, but to make our presence known. Then I walked out and stood outside for a while, and then went back to my daughter’s.

Nancy: So, you wouldn’t have been there very long at all?

Rebecca: Only about ten minutes.

Nancy: Ten minutes.

Rebecca: Going into the People’s House, as I like to call it, which it is. It’s our house. It doesn’t belong to politicians. It belongs to us, and we even pay for it with our taxpayer money.

Nancy: That’s right. So, you just walked in, and then walked out. That was it, you thought.

Rebecca: Right. I thought that was it. I went back to my daughter’s house that night. After a little while, she called me. She said, “Mom, do you know that you may get arrested for something like that?” I said, “What?” Like my grandson says, “What?” I thought, “This can’t happen to me. No, that’s not true.” I didn’t know. I had no idea that there were off limits or anything like that, because I thought we had a right to be there.

Nancy: Yes!

Rebecca: I never thought any more about it. I drove to Ben’s house with the intention to pray and stand up for my rights as a United States citizen who loves my country. Got back home, and then after a week or two, I saw that they were starting to arrest these people! I thought, “That can’t be! That’s not going to happen to me! I’m just a grandmother who loves my country and prays!”

Different people in our group, probably when you’re not a high-profile person, they’re not going to hit you. You don’t know what people are connected to, or whatever. Then on April 19^th, I got a knock on my door. I live out in the country on five acres. April 19^th, by the way, is Patriot Day. That’s the day that the first shot was heard around the world, just before the Revolutionary War.

It also happened to be my oldest son’s birthday. I was baking a birthday cake, and we were going to have him over. I go to the door, and there’s this man and woman at the door. They said, “We’re with the FBI, and we’re here to investigate your involvement in the January 6 event.” I thought, “What?” The first thing that came out of my mouth was, “I’m sorry, I’m baking a cake. Can you come back a different day because my house is a mess.” [laughter]

They did! They left me a card, and they said, “Just call us back.” I know this hasn’t happened to too many people who are in my situation. I didn’t know what that meant, but they did come back.

Nancy: It was lovely that it wasn’t so violent. We have neighbors, not so far away from us. I did a podcast. Some of you may remember the podcast with Bethany Vaughn, and how her husband was arrested by the FBI, but not with a little knock at the door. No, they came with guns. It was just so scary. It was terrible. They handcuffed him, and took him, and didn’t even tell him why. All the little children were so scared. It was very violent.

Now, they have had a court case, and they’re waiting to know whether he will have to do 10.5 years in jail just for standing outside an abortion clinic. Praise the Lord, it wasn’t so violent for you.

Rebecca: I feel bad sometimes when I share that, because of the horrific things that have happened.

Nancy: Oh, it’s horrific! And it’s amazing that the FBI are now coming against American citizens in such a violent way, who are totally innocent.

Rebecca: Right, totally innocent. It grieves me when I think about them. I feel bad, because this should never be happening. I thank God that it didn’t happen to me, but I really do feel for these other people. It’s horrid. When I see that, it just makes me cry. When I think of that; I’ve watched several documentaries on some of those. That’s not what happened to me, but that’s my story. God has a different one for all of us, I guess.

After the interview, that was the end of April that I actually did the interview with the FBI agents. I had nothing to hide. I’m a pretty open book on everything, because if I do mess up, I quickly repent, and God takes care of it. I didn’t hear anything for about three to four months later.

Then I got a call from the FBI. My agent says, “Well, you’re probably going to be arrested on four misdemeanors. They’re federal misdemeanors, and you’re going to have to appear in Denver in court. They’re going to arrest you. The four misdemeanors, I’ll tell you what they are. The first one is entering and remaining in a restricted building; the second is disorderly and disruptive conduct in a federal building.”

Nancy: Where did they get the disruptive conduct from?

Rebecca: They just think that we all are, because we disrupted what they wanted to do that day, I guess. The third is disorderly and disruptive conduct in the Capitol building. The fourth one is picketing and parading in a restricted building. Those are the four federal misdemeanors that I’m charged with. The penalty for them could be up to a year in prison, and over $200,000 in fines, to the fullest extent.

It seems so bizarre, that just going in there to pray, and to love your country is a crime. It’s very sad when I think about what has happened to our country. But God has a different plan. We’ve allowed ourselves to get into this position, and now we have to stand up and take a stand. That’s what I’m willing to do, because my life doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to Jesus, and whatever He asks in His heart.

Anyway, the agent was in the middle of saying that. After she got done saying what was going to happen to me, I was quiet, and I didn’t say anything. On the other end, she’s like, “Uhhh, aren’t you glad it’s not a felony?” I thought to myself, I didn’t say this out loud, but I said, “I shouldn’t be charged with anything, so I’m not going to be happy for a misdemeanor. You shouldn’t have done that to me at all because I was standing up for righteousness.”

Then nothing happened for about a year and a half. I never heard from her again. I thought, “Oh, they probably forgot about me because I’m not on that hit list anymore.” But then in December 2022, a year and a half later, I got a call from the FBI. They said, “You’re going to have to appear up in Denver and be charged with these four charges. You’ll be arrested and arraigned in front of the judge with these charges. That’s going to happen on December 19, 2022.”

I’m part of a Colorado Springs republican women’s group. We had our Christmas party that night. I was telling them about it. The GOP chair that we had, Vicky is her name, and she’s so patriotic. Loves the Lord, shares the same birthday with me. She said, “We’re not going to let that happen. We’re going to support you.” She ended up getting on a conservative podcast and said, “We need to rally behind this lady and give her our support.”

She got about 30-40 people up there the day I was arrested. I saw my two sons and my littlest grandchildren that I saw in my mind’s eye that day. Mom and Dad were there that day, my son and his wife. They all got up there and they prayed for me. They sang “This Little Light of Mine.” It was a real encouragement to be up there with me.

Nancy: Didn’t you say that they weren’t too happy about all those people coming?

Rebecca: No. Three days before I was supposed to go up there, the Friday before the Monday that I was supposed to go up there, the FBI called me. They said, “We heard there are going to be some protests up at the Capitol when you get up there that day. We need to be a little fluid. We’re going to have an extra FBI agent, so that will be three. You’re going to have to be very careful how we do this, because it could be some . . .” I think they thought, violence, or whatever. But very far from that, just because they wanted to pray for me and stand with me.

Nancy: So, they all did come?

Rebecca: Yeah, there were about 30 that she rallied together to come up there. I have the picture of them. They waited for my arraignment. They had no idea, but it was about four or five hours later. They all stayed around and waited. They got to know each other at the restaurant. They stood for me. It was really nice.

After I had been there and they prayed for me, I got a call from that agent. She said, “I want you to meet us at such-and-such corner.” So, I walked over there. I got to that corner, and nobody was there. Then I got another call from the FBI agent. She said, “We told you that you were supposed to come here alone. If you don’t come alone, we’re going to have to do this another day.”

I said, “Well, I’m not going to come another day and have all these people come up again. Let’s get this over with.” She said, “Meet us alone at this corner.” So, even though they didn’t tear my house down, they were very harassing. Then they told me to go to such-and-such a place, and that’s where they arrested me.

But thinking back on it, it goes back to what I said at the beginning, what Jefferson said. I think they were a little afraid of me, and that’s a good thing, right? If the government is afraid of us, then that’s freedom!

Nancy: So, what happened when they arrested you?

Rebecca: They put me in the back of the car. I looked at the warrant for my arrest. I said, “Can I see the warrant?” They gave it to me, and I noticed the date on there was three months earlier, September 19. To this day, I don’t really know why. I asked them when I was getting booked, and they said, “Extenuating circumstances,” or something like that.

I think they wanted to do it. I don’t celebrate all the Christmas holidays much anymore, but they thought it was four days before Christmas, so they wanted to make it as trying to me as possible. They got me, booked me, put me in shackles on my wrist and my waist. Then they put me in a prison cell for about three hours. There’s a story of me being in the prison cell. I don’t know if we have time to say that today.

Nancy: Maybe we can tell that story, and then I think we’ve got more to share. We’ll have to do another podcast together, OK? You tell that one, and then we’ll close and do another one! What we’ll do, ladies, I’ve only got Rebecca here today, so we’ll do another one. It will be posted to you the following week.

But what we want you to know this week is that you can be praying for Rebecca, because she will be traveling on to Washington DC. Her court case is on Monday, March 25. Please be praying for her, that the Lord will be with her in a wonderful way. But anyway, tell that little story.

Rebecca: OK. Also, I have a website, RestoringGodlyCulture.com. You can go there and read more about me, what I’m up to, and also put your email there if you want to get more updates. There’s also a donation tab, because expenses for my attorneys are quite high. Whatever you choose to do is fine. But I’ve got to tell you this story.

This is the most extraordinary story. I got in that prison cell. They locked me up. After an hour-and-a-half, I wasn’t troubled at all, I knew I was there on assignment by God. I sit down on that bench, and I’m sitting there for a little while. Then, all of a sudden, a US Marshall comes in. He says, “We’re going to have to shackle your ankles.” He brought me out and put the shackles between my ankles.

Nancy: Why would they have to do that? Did they think you were going to run or something??

Rebecca: I don’t know. It’s just the optics, maybe, Nancy. The optics were good if you’re in shackles. But they didn’t know that they weren’t doing that, because what happened to me was so amazing. I sat down there, sat on the bench, looked down at that chain between my ankles. A 12–15-inch chain, and all of a sudden it hit me.

Isaiah 53:5 says: “He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement for our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.” All I could feel was the love of God, that He would sacrifice His love for me by sending His Son. That Jesus would go through death on the cross, and all that, worse than I could even imagine in a prison. He did that for me, and I just wept and wept. I felt so much the love of God there. It brings tears to my eyes when I think of how much God loves us, that He would sacrifice Himself.

This was the least I could ever do for Him. I felt this overwhelming sense of His love that I’ll never, ever forget. I tell people, if you can go to prison for just that, you should go to prison, because it is important to sense God’s love. Then I looked up, and all I heard was God saying, “Rebecca, you were chosen. You were chosen for this assignment.” It was just a reiteration to me that I’m on assignment for God, because we need to wake up our country, and bring it back to God. God loves us, and He loves our nation.

Nancy: Amen. Thank you, Rebecca. There’s more to share, so we’re going to do another session.

Rebecca: OK!

Nancy: That would be so great. But as you know, here on the Hilltop, we have two prayer meetings a week where we pray for the needs of the nation and for the world. We have Monday night here at our home and Wednesday night at Serene and Sam’s home.

We have prayed so much for these men who are in prison for January 6. Many of them, like you, just walked in and walked out. We remember talking to one guy at the end of the day. He was at the same hotel we were at. He said, “I walked into that place today.” He was telling us, he just walked in and walked around, and walked out, because the door had been opened. As we have seen on footage, they were welcoming, beckoning people in.

Most probably he’s one who is in prison. But many have been there now for three years. Innocently, and they have been treated like terrorists. They’ve been in solitary confinement. They’re not even treated like normal prisoners. They’re like terrorists. And these are our own people who were just there standing up for a stolen election.

It’s hard to believe, and yet many are still carrying on in this nation, and not really aware of what is happening. Here we are, now, it’s all these years, and they’re still trying to get more people in prison! It’s unbelievable. So, keep praying for these men who have been really, oh, they’ve been suffering! And pray for Rebecca, as she prepares to go to court on the 25^th. Let’s pray now, shall we?

“Dear Father, we come to You in the Name of Jesus. Lord, I pray, and ask that all these lovely people listening, that you will join with me. Lord, we pray that You will go with Rebecca, that You will fill her with Your Spirit. We pray that You will pour Your anointing upon her, and that she will glow and shine with Your Light, with Your presence, with Your glory.

“I pray, Lord, that as she goes into that courtroom, that Lord, all those who are present, and the judge, will see Your glory all over her, Lord God. Lord, if she speaks, I pray that You will give her Your Words to speak, and I pray that You will be glorified.

“Lord, we pray for favor for Rebecca. We pray that she will be released from these ridiculous charges. But above all, Lord, we pray that You will be glorified, and Your glory will be revealed in that courtroom. We ask it in the precious Name of Jesus. Amen.”

Blessings from Nancy Campbell

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UPDATE 3/25/24:

Please be praying or Rebecca as her trial begins today and could continue until Thursday.

OUR PERSONAL STORY:

My husband, Colin and I were very blessed to attend the STOP THE STEAL Rally on January 6. After the rally we walked up Pennsylvania Avenue with thousands of others to the Capitol. We must have spent two or three hours around the capital, mingling with thousands of others. The amazing thing was that we never saw any violence at all. Those who entered the capital must have done so from the other side as we never noticed anything untoward.

At one time we saw about 40 – 50 police walk out of the capital, two abreast. They walked right in front of us. But not one of them said one word to us. They never told anyone to leave. They never said, “There has been an insurrection. All people must leave.” They never opened their mouths.

In the late afternoon, we thought we had better walk back to our hotel after a wonderful and joyful time. Then we began to get phone calls from our grandchildren. “Nana and Granddad, are you alright? They are telling us on TV that terrible things have been happening!” We had no idea what they were talking about and yet we were right there with thousands of others and hadn’t seen a thing!

~ Nancy

 

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EPISODE 300: Is There a Better Word Than “Kids,” Part 4

Why does God call our children "olive plants"? And we begin talking about how God wants us to make "princes in all the earth."

Announcer: Welcome to the podcast, Life to The Full, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.

Nancy Campbell: Hello, ladies! Here we are again, and this is podcast number 300! Last week I mentioned that if there are any of you who have managed to listen to the last 100 podcasts, that’s 200 to 300. If you’ve been miraculously able to do that, do email me at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. I’d like to send you a special gift because I think that is pretty amazing if you have done that. Don’t forget to let me know.

And don’t forget to keep passing on the podcasts. Let your friends and everyone on your social media know that we have this podcast that is especially for wives and mothers, to encourage you in your very high and noble calling. They can be encouraged too.

We are now up to our fourth one in the series of Is There a Better Word Than “Kids”? I’m currently giving you 20 different words that God calls our children. Today we are up to number 15.

No. 15. OLIVE PLANTS

God calls them “olive plants.” In Psalm 128:3, it starts off: “Your wife is like a fruitful vine within your home, your children, like olive plants, all around your table.” I wonder why God calls them “olive plants? Well, I have a few ideas.

Number one: olive trees are always a symbol of blessing to the Israelites. When they saw new olive shoots growing up around their olive trees, they knew they were blessed, because the olive tree brought such blessing to them in their daily lives. It was such a blessing. Of course, our children are blessings, aren’t they? That’s one of the reasons they are called olive branches, because they are such a blessing to us.

Number two: olive plants have to be cultivated or they will deteriorate and grow wild. To get the best fruit, they’ve got to be cultivated. Also, our little olive shoots that spring up around our table have to be cultivated and trained if they are going to grow up in wisdom and stature. That’s part of having olive plants—to train them, and to cultivate them, and often to prune them.

That’s not so easy. We don’t like having to do that, but as God prunes us to make us fruitful, we as loving parents need to prune our children from bad habits and from things that could go with them into adulthood and spoil their lives. Sometimes children can get into the habit of lying. Oh my. Children can lie very easily, and we must not ever let them get into that habit.

Some children can get into the habit of having a mood, of pouting, of just getting into a very sour state because things are going wrong. We mustn’t allow that to happen. Some parents may allow it, but we would never allow that, because that’s a habit that children can take into adulthood, which can spoil their marriage.

There are too many marriages breaking up today. But many times it’s because they are children who haven’t really been pruned. Now they’re adults and they have all these bad habits they’re taking into their marriage which will spoil their marriage. Moods will spoil a marriage. The pouting, just getting into a silent treatment, not talking, just putting on that huff because things aren’t going your way. That just spoils a marriage. Oh, and we must not let our children get into these habits. We have to cultivate them, train them, and prune them.

Number three: olive trees are a symbol of beauty. In Hosea 14:6, it’s talking about Israel. It says: “Your beauty shall be like the olive tree.” The Hebrew word for “beauty” there is hod, H-O-D. Although it’s sometimes used for people, it’s mainly associated with God, and means “splendor, majesty, glory, and honor.” This time it’s used about the olive tree.

God wants our children to grow up beautiful like the olive tree, revealing God’s beauty and glory in their lives. They are our children. God has made them so beautiful, hasn’t He? We look at our children and we just can’t believe how beautiful God’s creation is. But we want them to grow up not only beautiful on the outside, but beautiful on the inside. That’s why we’re seeking to cultivate them and train them.

Number four: the olive tree is very fruitful. Large olive trees can actually produce an average of 400 pounds of olives annually. Larger trees can produce even more! We trust also that our little olive shoots will grow up to be very fruitful olive trees. Fruitfulness is one of the hallmarks of the olive tree. Those are reasons, I think some of the reasons why God calls our children “olive trees.”

Number five: olive trees have a purpose. They’re not just ornaments. They’re not just to look beautiful. They have a purpose. We talked about that before when we were talking about how God gave Jeremiah as a gift, not only to his parents, but a gift to the nation and the nations. That was his destiny upon him. God has a purpose for each one of our children.

The olive trees, what purposes do they have?

Well, they are used for building. Even the two cherubims in the Holy of Holies, and the door into the Holy of Holies, were made of olive wood. Today, many people love to buy beautiful ornaments and useful things too, which you can use in your kitchen and bring them back from Israel, all made of olive wood. Recently someone gave me a beautiful carving of Jesus and his disciples at the Last Supper. It’s all carved in olive wood.

But olive wood can be used for building. And, of course, our children are part of building our home. Also, they will be used for building, not just to become builders, because not every son is going to become a builder, but every man and woman will be building a home and a family. They will be building projects, building all manner of things into their lives.

Also, the olive tree was used for lighting. The menorah, that beautiful seven-branched menorah in the tabernacle had to be lit every morning and every evening. It was lit with the olive oil from the olive plant. It tells that in Exodus 27:20-21: “And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.”

They were never, ever to go out. “In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning in the presence of the LORD: it shall be a statute forever unto their generations.” It had to come from the pure olive oil.

Of course, we want our little olive shoots to grow up to be lights in this world. Jesus said: “I am the Light of the world,” but He also said: “You are the light of the world” (Matthew 5:14-16). He doesn’t want us to hide our lamps. He wants us to reveal His light. He wants us to be great lights, especially in this dark, deceived world in which we are living. We are preparing our children to be lights.

Every Friday evening, we celebrate the Shabbat meal. Of course, it is the privilege of the mother in the home to light the Shabbat candles at the beginning of the evening. As I light the Shabbat candles, I love to pray again, and thank the Lord, thank God that He is the Light. He is the One who has given us life. And pray again, as I pray every Friday evening, that God will fill us with His light, that we will truly be great lights, shining in this dark world.

Sometimes, especially when we have lots of children around our table (we invite a family with children, or we have the grandchildren over) I will have a light for each person around the table. Maybe a little tea candle and we’ll each light them. We’ll all hold them up and we’ll sing, “This little light of mine, I’m going to let it shine.” We remind the children that they are shining lights in this world. They’ve got to keep their light shining.

Now, the next one. The olive oil was also used for the holy anointing oil. God gave a special recipe for that holy anointing oil. That’s in Exodus 30. Let’s go over to that. We see here that it was to be used, the oil was to be used for the holy anointing oil.

With that holy anointing oil, the priests were to anoint everything in the tabernacle; all the furniture, and everything there. Then they were to anoint all the priests and Aaron. Everything, and every person was to be anointed with the holy anointing oil, because the oil speaks of the Holy Spirit. God wants us to be anointed and filled with His Holy Spirit. He wants our children, our little olive shoots, to be anointed and filled with His Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 61is a prophetic word over Christ, saying how He would be anointed “to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison doors to them that are bound.” Jesus came to do that. But now He dwells in us, and He wants us to do that. He wants us to encourage our children to be these shining lights who are filled with the Holy Spirit to bring His anointing to those who are broken and hurting.

Then the olive oil is also food. Yes, the Israelis couldn’t do without their olive trees because it is their food. They could hardly survive without the olive tree, because that oil is used in all their cooking, and all their salads. The olives themselves, aren’t they so delicious? It is such wonderful food and so nutritious.

Proverbs 10:21 talks about how the righteous will feed many. Our little olive shoots, we want them to grow up to be those who are feeders. As they are growing, we are feeding them with God’s living Word, filling them up with His Word, filling them up with His truth, so that even when they are young, they can begin to feed others.

As they continue to grow into maturity, they will be those who can feed others, feed them with God’s truth because it’s already in them. But they won’t be able to do it unless we fill them up with that wonderful food of the living Word of God.

The last point about our olive trees, number six: olive trees live forever. Well, not quite, but just about! There is a saying in Israel that the olive tree never dies. On many occasions, I’ve been to the Garden of Gethsemane and looked again at those old olive trees there in the garden just at the base of the Mount of Olives. That’s where you look over to Jerusalem, and you see the golden gate. That’s the gate that the Bible says that one day Jesus will walk through into the city.

But those trees in the Garden of Gethsemane are all gnarled and so old. The guides will often say that they have been there for two or three thousand years.

Recently I looked up on the internet, and I found a source that says the oldest olive tree is in Bethlehem, in the village of Al Walaja. Experts determine it to be four thousand to five thousand years old.

Then another source on the internet tells of an olive tree in Greece. This tree is confirmed by ring-tree analysis to be two thousand years old, but many claim it to be three thousand to four thousand years old. Some say five thousand years old. And guess what? It’s still producing fruit! Isn’t that amazing?

Of course, as we were mentioning before, our children are eternal souls who will live forever. We are not destined for this life. We are eternal souls. We, of course, are so concerned that our children will be ready for God’s eternal kingdom, that they will never reject Christ, and never, ever be rejected from that kingdom. So, we pray for them, and we minister God’s Word lovingly into their lives. We woo them into God’s kingdom.

Mothering, dear mothers, is an eternal career, because we do not have only physical children, but they have eternal souls. Our mothering is never a waste of time. It is eternal. It is the only eternal career on this earth because we are preparing eternal souls for the eternal world. How absolutely amazing!

That’s all about our little olive shoots who are going to grow into amazing olive trees who will be a blessing in this world and reveal the beauty of Jesus, who will be fruitful, and who will show forth their purpose in this life, their destiny, and who will be a light to the world, filled with the Holy Spirit. They will become food for the hungry and the needy and the hurting. Amen?

No. 16. PRINCES

Number 16: this one is where the Word of God calls our sons “princes.” I love that. Psalm 45:16: “Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth.” Oh, wow! I just love that! Do you have sons? If you do, take hold of that Scripture. Make it a vision as you are raising your sons “to make them princes in all the earth.”

Wow, that is just so amazing, isn’t it? Princes, princes in all the earth. That takes them into another realm. That takes them into royalty. I have some thoughts about this, because I looked up this word “princes” in the Hebrew. The word is sar, S-A-R. That’s all it is, but it has a huge meaning.

It is, of course, first used about Jesus the Messiah Himself. In Isaiah 9:6, it talks about Christ, who is the Prince of Peace. Sar Shalom, the Prince of Peace. But He is called the “Prince.” Now, why is Christ Jesus, the Messiah, called the Prince? Because the word sar means “to be a head, to be a ruler, to be a master, to be a leader, to be a nobleman, and to be a priest.” It contains all those meanings. But here, it’s talking about our sons being princes.

Let’s have a look at those meanings, shall we? We can get a vision of how we are to raise our sons to be princes in all the earth.

Firstly, sar means TO BE THE HEAD.

What does it say in the Bible in Deuteronomy 28:13? Let’s have a look at this here. “And the Lord shall make thee the head and not the tail. And thou shalt be ABOVE ONLY, and thou shalt not be beneath.”

Such a wonderful promise, but there is an “if.” It goes on to say, “If thou harken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them.” So, yes, God wants our sons to be the head and not the tail. To be above only and not beneath. But this just doesn’t happen automatically. It happens when they walk in the ways of the Lord, when they obey His commandments and observe to do them.

Secondly, sar means TO BE THE RULER

To be the head means that we will not be defeated by the temptations of the devil and this world, but be an overcomer. That’s how we’re training our sons. If we’re raising them to be princes, they’re not going to be sons who are overcome by evil and all the things of this world that are alluring our sons. They’re not going to be just looking at their iPhones all day, people who don’t have any purpose. No, no. They are learning to overcome the enemy.

We need to encourage and raise our sons to know how to overcome the enemy. We can go to 1 John. I love this Scripture because it’s speaking directly to sons here, to young men.

1 John 2:13: “I write unto you young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one.” Go to verse 14, and he says it again: “I have written unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the Word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one.”

What a wonderful testimony for young men! Oh, precious mothers, oh, take that Scripture. Pray over it and seek to raise your young men to be princes and to know how to overcome the enemy.

You see here three things. John is writing, and he says, “Young men, I’m writing to you because, 1) you are strong, strong in the Lord, and the power of His might.”

2) “the Word of God abides in you.” Isn’t that amazing? It doesn’t say, “Well, you know, you hear the Word of God at church on Sunday.” No, the Word of God abides in you! That’s how they become strong. We cannot make our young men to be strong in this difficult, deceived, and evil world unless the Word of God abides in them.

We have to get that Word into them. Hopefully you are having morning and evening devotions in your home where you are reading the Word of God to them and they’re getting it day by day. As your children get to a certain age, you encourage them to have their own quiet time. Well, they used to call it “quiet time.” I don’t know why people use that term “quiet time,” but anyway, you use whatever term you like.

But it’s a time where they get away personally with God. Before they start the day, you encourage your children to make that a habit of their life, that they start the day with God personally, where they open the Word of God, and they read it. You give them a reading plan so  they know where to read. They read the Word, and they pray, and they have that personal time with the Lord.

Then, of course, we’re going to have our family time with our family devotions morning and evening. Little by little, day by day, the Word of God is getting into them.

3) “and you have overcome the wicked one.” Well, how did they overcome? Because the Word of God was abiding in them. That’s how Jesus overcame the wicked one when the devil came to tempt Him. We read in Matthew 4:4: “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

We teach our children this is the way you live. Don’t live by your feelings. You live by the Word of God; every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Every time the devil came to tempt Jesus, what did He say? “It is written” and He spoke forth the Word of God. And the devil left Him. Every time we speak that Word.

Here we have the principles to raise our sons to know how to overcome the wicked one, because that’s part of being the head, and not the tail, isn’t it?

Of course, we will teach them not to be subservient to the lusts of this world, but to reign in life with Christ. Romans 5:17 tells us about reigning in life. One day we’re going to reign with Christ, but we have to learn how to reign now.  

In Titus 2, it talks about that. I may give that to you in another point here. OK, because to be a prince means to be the head. It means you’re going to overcome the enemy. You’re not going to be underneath the enemy, and you’re not going to be bound down with bondages. No, you’re overcoming the enemy. You’re the head, and not the tail. It means to be a ruler. A ruler, yes! To rule! Amen!

I think this is one of the greatest Scriptures for our young people. It’s Proverbs 16:32. It’s a Scripture that I believe should be a memory verse if they don’t already know it. If your sons, in fact, all your children, don’t know this Scripture, I think it would be a great one to get out and make a memory verse in your home: “He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.”

That is powerful. That Scripture says that someone who can rule their spirit is more powerful than an army taking a city. So, we teach our children how to rule their spirit. We do this even by the way we treat them.

Often parents, even from an early age, gratify their children with every whim and fancy. When they whine for something, something we know we’re not able to give them, or would not be good for them, we say, “No.” But then they keep whining, and they keep on, and they keep on. Many parents will let them keep on whining until they get so sick of it, they’ll give it to them!

That is the worst training in the whole of the world! You’ve just taught your child that if you keep on whining and whining and whining, they’ll eventually get it. So, they think they’ll get what they want if they go about it that way. That is not someone who knows how to rule their spirit! When our children keep pestering, well, you’d better deal with it. They need to know that your “no” is “no.”

Even with food; I have seen parents who put food their child does not like, “Oh, OK, darling, well, would you like this?” And they’ll give them something else. [whining] “I don’t like that either!” Well, then they’ll find something else. How disgusting! You’re training your child for problems and defeat. They’re never going to rule their spirits. We have to teach our children how they have to overcome their feelings and their little wants.

Of course, we going to always give our children their real needs. We are parents, and we meet their real needs, but not all these little things that are not right and that are not necessary. They have to learn, even children have to learn how to deny themselves. Yes, little by little. They may not be able to learn it like an adult can. But little by little, it will be much easier if they learn it when they are little.

What does Titus 2:11 say? “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying,” do you notice that word? Denying. “Denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ.”

In Matthew 16:24, Jesus also said, “If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” There’s that word “deny” again. There are things that children may want, but really, they’re not good for them, or they don’t need them.

They don’t have to have something every time they go to town. In fact, sometimes you’ve got to sit down with your children and say, “We’re going out. We’re going to get the groceries. Today we’re not buying anything extra. We’re just getting our groceries that will be our food for the this week. It will be all wonderful food to nourish you all up, and you’ll have plenty to eat. But don’t ask me for anything else.” Now, if you tell them that, you keep to your word. In fact, if they start asking you for something else, you might just have to go home. Take them home. Or you may have to deal with them later.

Or, you may like to say, “OK, children, today we’re going out to get groceries. I’m going to buy you each one treat, OK?” You can tell them what it is, or they can choose. “But don’t ask me for any other. We’re just going to have one.” But you decide whatever you want to do.

What you decide, that is what you keep to, so they learn, OK, that’s it. They don’t keep whining for other things. They have to be satisfied with what they have. OK? That’s all part of learning to be a prince, someone who knows how to rule their spirit. They can never be a ruler of anything in this world unless they’ve learned to rule their spirit. We first learn to rule our spirit.

The Message Bible is really a paraphrase, but sometimes it can say some pretty good words. I like this paraphrase of Colossians 3:5-6, where it tells us to: “kill off the tendency of doing whatever you feel like, whenever you feel like it, and grabbing whatever attracts your fancy. That’s a life shaped by things and feelings, instead of God.” That’s a pretty good word, isn’t it?

Ladies, I just can’t believe it but our time has gone again, and I’ve still got more to tell you about raising princes. So, we’ll have to do that next time, because, oh my, it’s so important to raise princes.

Oh, and as you’re doing this, you can call your son your prince. “Oh, Danny, do you know that God has given you to me to be a prince? And He’s chosen you to be a prince in all the earth.” That’s what the Bible says, making princes in all the earth.

“Yes, now, Gilbert, do you know that God wants you to be a prince? That means you are royalty. You belong to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and He wants you to grow up to be a prince on this earth, walking in this world like one who belongs to the kingdom of God, who belongs to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.”

We’ve got to take our children to a HIGHE PLANE. We don’t want to relegate them to “kids,” do we? No, we’re speaking words into them that will take them to a much higher plane. Amen?

“Oh, dear Father, we thank You for all the wonderful words in Your precious living Word. We thank You. We thank You, Lord, that as we look at them, You are helping us in our mothering, and in the training, and cultivating, and pruning of our children.

“Lord, I pray for every mother today. I pray that You will bless her and fill her with Your wisdom. Show her, Lord, how You want her to train her children, with love, and Lord, with affirmation and encouragement. But also raising them to a higher plane. Oh God, I ask that You will help them, and You will pour Your Holy Spirit into them. I ask this in the precious Name of Jesus. Amen.”

Blessings from Nancy Campbell

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EPISODE 299: Is There a Better Word Than “Kids,” Part 3

Check out more names that God delights to call our children. Yes, they are better than the word "kids." 

Announcer: Welcome to the podcast, Life to The Full, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.

Nancy Campbell: Hello, ladies! This is podcast 299. That means next week will be 300. Well, I think that is quite special. So, I thought that if there are any of you who maybe listened to the last 300, no, not 300. That would be just about too much. But anyone who’s listened to the last 100, and you haven’t missed one, email me at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and tell me. I will have to send you something special, because I think that would be pretty amazing. So, if you haven’t missed one in the last 100, do write and tell me, won’t you?

All right. Now, I must remind you about our coming retreat. We have one this coming weekend! This is for ladies. It’s in Washington state in Olympia. I have been doing ladies’ retreats here for so many years. Here we are again, this coming weekend in fact, at the Black Lake Bible Camp on March 8-10. That’s this weekend. I know it’s last minute, but you can still get in. We always take ladies at the last minute at our Above Rubies retreats. If you want to find out about it, contact This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. OK?

And we also have coming up very soon our Family Camp. We have ladies’ camps, and we have family ones. Our biggest family one is in April at the Laguna Christian Retreat Center, right on the beach in Panama City, Florida. It’s such a beautiful spot. We have families coming from all over the nation, even from up north in Canada, coming down to get some sun down in Florida.

If you would love to come to this retreat, it’s a week long. We used to have only a weekend retreat, but it just wasn’t enough for the families. So, now we have a week long. It’s such a popular retreat for the whole family. You bring all your children, all your teens, all your older adults in your family. In fact, there are usually more young people than even parents. And of course, loads of children.

It’s such a wonderful time of great fellowship and teaching and encouragement, interaction and fellowship together. Marvelous times for the young people. Wonderful fellowship for them with other godly young people, and great sporting competitions with basketball and volleyball, and so many things going on. This camp just “goes” from beginning to end. It’s so amazing. I know you’ll just love to be part of this.

If you want to register, you can go to https://AboveRubiesGulfCoast.com. For more information, call Allison Hartman, who is the great organizer of this retreat, at 850-995-9090. They still have some housing left, but it’s going so quickly so be in! You can come down. You can be on the beach and have a wonderful time with your family, and be encouraged, and blessed, and fortified in your wonderful walk of raising godly children in this deceived hour. Come if you can. We’d love to have you with us!

Now we are continuing our series called “IS THERE A BETTER WORD THAN KIDS?” I started off telling you how most of us use the word “kids,” or we used to. I’ve kicked the habit. I hope you have too. This is our third part in this series. You’ve had a couple of weeks or so. I wonder if you’ve kicked the habit yet, to stop calling your children “kids,” which is a very humanistic word. Go back and listen to the other podcasts if you didn’t get to hear them.

Now I’m in the middle of telling you some other words that you can use. Of course, these words that I’m giving you are biblical words of what God calls our children. They may not be the everyday words you will call your children. You’ll find your own words, your own endearing and special words that you have for your children. It’s such a wonderful thing to call your children endearing words. Think of wonderful, endearing, and loving words to call your children. But these are biblical ones. They are very good for us to know. You can sometimes call them these names as well.

We are up to number eight. I have 20 different biblical words.

No. 8. GIFTS

They are gifts, gifts from the Lord. Let’s read a few Scriptures, shall we? We’ll go to Genesis 33:4-5. This is when Jacob is coming back to the land to meet his brother Esau again. It says in verse four: “And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept. And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.” Jacob acknowledges that the children that God has given to him are given to him by God. He didn’t get them. No, God gave them to him.

We go over to Genesis 48:8-9. This is when Jacob, called Israel in this particular verse, is blessing his children: “And Israel [also called Jacob] beheld Joseph's sons, and said, who are these? And Joseph said unto his father, They are my sons, whom God hath given me in this place. And he said, Bring them, I pray thee, unto me, and I will bless them both.” But do you notice once again that Joseph also acknowledges: “These are the children who God has given to me.” You see, it is God Who gives us our children. We don’t get them by ourselves. They are gifts from God.

Let’s go over to Joshua 24:3-4: “And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac. And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau.” So, here God is saying about Abraham, “I gave you Isaac.” Once again, he didn’t get him all on his own. God gave him Isaac. And then God gave to Isaac Jacob and Esau. God is the giver of children.

I love the passage in Ruth 4:13 where it says: “So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.” Who gave her conception? It wasn’t herself. It’s only God who can give conception.

Then we go over to 1 Chronicles 25. This is a passage that is talking about the temple musicians, the musicians that David chose to worship God and prophesy on their instruments in the temple. There were three very anointed and incredible musicians. They were Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun.

When we go to verse five, it’s talking about Heman (Hey-mahn), I think that’s how you’re meant to pronounce it. It’s spelled “HeMan.” It says: “All these were the sons of Heman, the king's seer in the words of God, to lift up the horn. And God gave to Heman fourteen sons and three daughters. All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD.”

But what we see, of course, is that God gave Heman these children. He gave him 17 children! Wow! Fourteen sons and three daughters and He gave them all to help him in his ministry of the song in the temple of the Lord.

OK! Some more Scriptures yet. I love Psalm 127:3 in the Message Bible, where it says: “Don’t you see that children are God’s best gift? The fruit of the womb His generous legacy.” Yes, they are our best gifts, aren’t they, dear mothers? God forbid, but if any of us had a fire in our homes, what would we do? The first thing we want to do is save our children! All the other stuff is only stuff that can burn up, but, oh, our children are our best gifts, given to us from the hand of God.

Let’s read Jeremiah 1:5. And God, speaking to Jeremiah, says: “Before I formed thee in the womb, I knew thee. Before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” One day I was checking out that word “ordained,” and in the Hebrew, it is the word nathan. It’s a primary word, meaning, “to give.”

In other words, God is saying, and it’s an amazing Scripture, because He says to Jeremiah, “Even before I formed thee in the womb, I knew thee.” Even before you came out of the womb, I sanctified you, and I gave you, I gave you to be a prophet unto the nations. What a powerful Scripture! God planned Jeremiah’s future before he was even conceived.

But dear ladies, every child that God has given you, God knew them before He gave them to you. Even before they were conceived, God knew them. He knew them before the foundation of the world. He knew their destiny. He planned their destiny, and He gave them to you as a gift. But not only to you.

He gives your children as a gift to the world, because every one of our children have a purpose. God has made them unique. He has put a destiny upon them. He has a purpose for them and they are a gift, not only for us, but they are a gift to the world. That’s why our great blessing and responsibility is to prepare them for their destiny that God has for them.

Who knows what our children will do in this life? I’m looking back now. I’m not just a grandmother, but a great-grandmother. I’m seeing the things that our children are doing for God in this world, things that I could not even have ever dreamed of, or imagined. But now there are our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren. What will they do? How will they serve God? Who is God going to raise them up to be?

Of course, we pray that they will all be great godly mothers and fathers, but many of them will have destiny upon them, to reach many people for the Lord. They are a gift to the nation and to the world. Isn’t that wonderful? So, lovely ladies, remind your children that they are gifts from God.

You can tell them, “You are my gift from the Lord! But do you know what? You’re not only my gift that God has given to me but you are a gift to the world. God has got a special anointing, a special purpose for you that He wants you to fulfill. Yes, you are a special gift that God has brought in to bless this world.” Remind your children that they are gifts from God. Not only to you, but to the world. Amen?

No. 9. OUR GLORY

Our children are not only gifts, but they are our glory! This is number nine, and we’re going in alphabetical order. Glory. Now, we see this in the Scripture in Hosea 9:11. This Scripture is actually in the context of God bringing judgement upon Israel.

But even in this context, we realize that our children are our glory. It says: “As for Ephraim,” often God uses the word “Ephraim” for Israel. “As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird,” because God is bringing judgement on them. What is their glory? It goes on to say: “From the birth and from the womb and from conception.” God was going to take away their glory. Their glory.

God is revealing here that the glory of the nation is our children, from conception, from the womb, from birth. These are very precious to God. They are the most precious things of the nations. Dear ladies, when conception, when the womb, and when birth are taken away, there will no longer be a nation. It will disintegrate to nothing, because everything, everything begins with the womb.

It is from the womb of the woman that children come. It is children that make the nation. Without children coming into the world, we would not even need to build houses. We would not build cities. We would not have a nation, because children come into the world and into the nation to make that nation. They make it go round.

They make it happen, because every child is going to need a home, and then, of course, they need cities, because they need shops and they need hospitals and they need everything that we build for cities to make life happen.

It all starts in the womb. In fact, every great thing that happens, or has happened, in this nation, happens through a person. And that person comes from the womb! They would not happen without the womb. So, conception, the womb, and birthing are the glory of the nation. Our children are our glory. Yes, they’re not only our glory, but they are the nation’s glory.

That is why there was a time when women were put on a pedestal. They were cared for. They were treated with honor which is how God wants us to treat women, how He wants men to treat women, how He wants the nation to treat women.

It talks about this in 1 Peter 3:7, how men are to honor their wives, and to treat them in a way that they are precious because they are the womb of the nation. There was a time when it would be unthinkable for a man not to put a woman first or to always open the door for her. To let her go first, to rescue her first. That is what a man does! It’s all because the woman brings forth the glory of the nation.

We also go to the New Testament, 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20. It’s Paul writing, and he’s talking about the young Thessalonian believers. He says: “You are our glory and joy.” He’s talking about when he will stand before the Lord, and present them before the Lord. But dear mothers, we have our children. Oh, yes! They are also our glory. Our glory, not only for now, but one day, when we bring them before the Lord, and present them before the Lord on that day.

No. 10. GODLY OFFSPRING

We read these words in Malachi 2:15. This is in the context of marriage. God is talking about how He hates divorce. He loves divorced people, but He hates the spirit of divorce, because it touches the godly seed. Every child from a divorce is negatively affected. There’s no one hat escapes the negatives of a divorce. That’s why God hates it because He is looking out for the godly seed.

In this passage, it asks the question, “What does God want from your union?” What does He want? And then the answer comes in verse 15: “I want a godly seed. I want godly offspring.” That’s what God looks for from a marriage. From everything thing else from our marriage, the primary thing that God looks for is offspring to come from our marriage. He looks for it. He longs for it.

When a couple get married, that should be the first thing that is on their hearts; the bringing forth of the godly seed. Isn’t it sad that today there are so many couples who go into marriage and there’s hardly one thought of having a baby? In fact, if they think about having a baby, well, the first thing they think about is “How can we stop this for a few years? Because we’ve got other things we want to do.”

Well, I have to tell you, they’re not ready for marriage. Any couple who is not ready to bring forth offspring is not ready for marriage because that’s what marriage is all about, and that’s what God looks for from the marriage union. But not just offspring. No, it’s godly seed. Godly offspring.

That word “godly” in the Hebrew is the word Elohim. When I realized that, to me it was awe-inspiring. It was actually awe-full to realize that, as I am raising my children, God is looking for godly children, children in His image who will show forth what He is like. Children, who as they grow in the ways of the Lord, and we prepare them, will go out into this world to show what God is like.

That word Elohim is the same word as Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning, God. In the beginning, Elohim.” Yes, that’s the word He uses. He wants Elohim children. Oh, wow! That is such a challenge to us as parents, isn’t it?

Well, when you’re telling your children that that’s one of their names, “Did you know that God calls you godly offspring? Yes, children, He’s wanting you to show what God is like so that your life will represent Him, that you will show forth His salvation and His love, and His kindness, and His justice, and His truth wherever you go.” That’s what God is looking for. Amen?

No. 11. THE HERITAGE OF THE LORD

Psalm 127:3: “Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD.” That word “heritage” means “possession, property, inheritance.” Now, we’ve found that God gives us children. He gives them to us as gifts, but ultimately they belong to God. Ultimately, they are His possessions.

They are His property, and they are on loan to us from God, for He brings them to us on this earth to prepare them for their purpose and for the heavenly realm. That’s what we’re ultimately preparing them for, for the heavenly realm, for eternity, where they will live forever and ever. Isn’t that awe-inspiring?

To think that this is our career,

To raise children for the heavenly sphere!

I’m a poet, but I didn’t know it! I think that’s quite good.

Yes, this is our career, to prepare children for the heavenly sphere! Yes, dear ladies! Oh, imagine! Even in the embracing of children, this gets back to couples who want to stop having children. Imagine, when we stop, or try to stop, having children, when we deliberately try to stop, we are deliberately stopping someone from having the opportunity of one day living in the glory of eternity forever and ever. How can we deny someone that, that God wanted to come into this world? Because God knows who He wants to come into this world.

Sadly, there are thousands missing who God intended to come into this world, because parents have stopped them. They have stopped them. They have stopped eternal souls coming into this world, who were coming in not only for this world, but for the heavenly sphere.

Not one of us can even dream or imagine. Sometimes I try, but I can’t. It’s impossible for me to even imagine the glory of heaven. It's beyond what we will ever dream. We are destined to this. Every child we bring into the world and bring into God’s kingdom will enjoy this. How terrible to stop someone from enjoying this glory! Yes, and so, they are our possessions, but ultimately God’s possessions.

No. 12. OUR HOPE

In this passage in 1 Thessalonians 2:19, where Paul is writing about the unbelievers, he uses quite a number of descriptions. Another one is hope. He says: “For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?” Our children are our hope. Yes, our hope we will be presenting before the Lord. So, hope is another wonderful thing. Not disaster, but hope.

No. 13. OUR JOY

In that same Scripture, “For what is our hope, or joy? Are not even you our Joy in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ?” We’re going to present them before the Lord. Oh, we’re going to pray, and we’re going to do everything in our power to woo them into the kingdom of God, and into His ways, that they will be ready on that day when Jesus comes, or when they go to meet the Lord. That they will be ready, so we can present them with great joy. Our children are our joy, of course. Yes. Our joy and our hope.

I’m thinking of another Scripture there. Let me go over to it. It’s just coming to mind now. Here it is, ladies. Luke 1:13: “But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness, and many shall rejoice at his birth.”

I love that Scripture, because God is telling them, when this son is given to you, you will have joy and gladness. But I believe that is for every mother. Yes, it was especially for Zacharias and Elizabeth, but it is for you, mother.

Of course, I know you’ve experienced this with every new baby that comes. Oh my, maybe when this beautiful child was conceived, you thought, “Oh, wow, how are we going to manage? How are we going to fit this baby in?” But when this baby arrives, this baby always fits in. There’s never a baby that doesn’t fit in. And, oh, you experience such joy, and such gladness. This is what God gives us children for, to give us joy and gladness.

Don’t forget to remind your children. Yes, you can call them “my joy.” “Yes, Susie, you are my joy! You give me such joy.” I know some of you even call your children joy, or joyful. You can call your children wonderful names like that. But remind them that they are your joy. Yes, these are the names that God speaks over our children, so let us speak them over our children. Amen?

Let me give you just one more for this session. Then we’ll have to do the rest next session.

No. 14. LAMBS

Isaiah 40:11: “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”

This is the opposite of “kids.” We are kicking that habit of calling our children “kids.” It’s a humanistic word. We don’t want to belong to the goat mother company who leave their children while they go off to the career, or to do their thing. No, sheep mothers never leave their little lambs. Yes, we are His sheep, and the sheep of His pasture. We are sheep mothers and we have little lambs.

You can call your little ones (you won’t be calling your big ones your lambs) but your little ones, you can call your lambs. I know my daughter Serene often calls her little babies, and her little ones, her lambkins. It’s such a beautiful name. When you call your little ones your lambs, it brings that beautiful tenderness in your heart. Oh, it’s such a much better word than “kids,” isn’t it? So, don’t forget that one.

We’ve come to the end of this session so quickly.

“Dear Father, I thank You that You have given us all these beautiful names to call our children. Lord, they lift us up to the truth of what You believe and see about our children. Help us, Lord God, to refrain from using these humanistic words, and instead, to use the words that You give us, and to use loving words and endearing words, because words have such power. Help us, Lord God, to bring such affirmation and encouragement to our children through the words that we use, and even the words that we call them. We ask this in the Name of Jesus. Amen.”

Blessings from Nancy Campbell

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