PODCAST TRANSCRIPT | EPISODE 267: Another Smorgasbord with Nancy and Allison
LIFE TO THE FULL w/ Nancy Campbell
EPISODE 267: Another Smorgasbord with Nancy and Allison
Allison and I share another podcast together as we have many more things to share with you. We talk about the movie, THE SOUND OF FREEDOM (“God's children are not for sale!”). Did you see it? We'd encourage you to get the DVD.
This movie set us off on a tirade of the need for a new intensity of protective parenting. And what about smartphones? Do you allow your children to have them or not? We also discuss the pros and cons of young marriages.
Announcer: Welcome to the podcast, Life to The Full, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.
Nancy Campbell: Hello, everyone! Here we are again, and I have Allison Hartman with me. The Hartmans, and many others, are still staying over this July 4th week, although you will hear this podcast a little later.
We are still doing projects in this house. You can hardly walk. I go into another room and say, “Help! What are they doing now?” To think, we didn’t even plan! Our guest bathroom, I think they thought, “Oh, this needs a bit of redoing!” I go in there and they’re putting in a new bath, repainting walls, and, of course, Halle gets on the job.
Halle is Allison’s daughter who is married to Cedar, Serene’s son. My, Cedar and Halle are such an exceptional pair together. Cedar can fix anything, make anything. do anything, anything with his hands. And then, Halle comes along and just decorates. She can’t help herself, can she?
Allison Hartman: No.
Nancy: Down in Pensacola where they live, they have just got a house which Cedar has renovated, then Halle has decorated, and now they’ve got it on Airbnb. Anyway, great to have Allison with me again. We always love doing podcasts together.
Oh, I must tell you. Last night, the whole crowd of us on the Hilltop went to see the movie, The Sound of Freedom, which is exposing this sex trafficking in the world. Oh my. It was devastating to see. Wasn’t it amazing, Allison? At the end of that movie, no one moved.
Allison: I felt like I was leaving a funeral.
Nancy: Yes. You could not get up. You could not get up. People just sat there. I would encourage, I can’t say, “Go and see it,” because by the time you hear this, it will be out of the theaters, I guess. But, of course, it will always be available, and you can get it online by that time, or DVD, whatever. But you must watch it. I believe everybody in this nation needs to watch it.
Although we saw the story of two little children who were rescued from Columbia, the actual statistics are that the USA is the biggest sex trafficking country in the world. It is happening around us and we don’t even know it. This movie is so important to see, to become aware of this horror that is going on, to pray above all things, and to be very aware also.
I think, also, as parents, it comes back again to realizing the power and strength and protection of the family. All this terrific evil and horror really is because of the breakdown of the family. It comes back to family. What are your thoughts about it, Allison?
Allison: The day that Serene and us all talked about it, because she had seen it a couple of days before, she said, “I’m so thankful I went because it’s hard to pray for something unless you can really feel what’s going on there.” It’s easy to talk about it, but when you have those images in your head, when I walked away, I thought, “We’ll never be able to unsee what we just saw. Therefore, there won’t be a day that will go by that we won’t be thinking of it.”
Just like the horror and evil of abortion, when you don’t think of it, and see the movies, and talk about it, it’s hard to pray for it. But last night, it’s really, wow, it ripped off the veil over our eyes and we really were able to see.
I was going to mention, we have 11 children. We made a last-minute decision not to bring our nine and eleven-year-old girls. But we brought our 13-year-olds and up. But actually, I feel like it would have been important for our younger girls to see it. There was nothing incredibly graphic which I thought that’s what was going to happen. That’s why I didn’t bring them. I think it is something that, we’re such a sheltering family. So many of your listeners probably are, as well.
I don’t think these young girls realize the danger that is out there. Yes, we, as parents, our job is to protect them, not let them go to spend the night, or not let them go to functions that we’re not able to be there. We have to be so careful, because at the beginning of that movie, the theme was these parents were dropping off their children to do a modeling audition. Then they were told to come back and get them later on.
Nancy: They were not there! They were gone!
Allison: They were not there! They were gone. They stole their children and put them in trafficking. They were gone for years, being abused. The other thing I was thinking, we got in the car, and immediately, my personality, “Give me guns, and let me go kill some people, because this is insane, horrible. They need to die!” But obviously, that’s not even practical right now. I don’t have that option, but what I do have is I have a little army that I’m raising, my children.
What can we, as parents, do? We need to be careful. You don’t become a pedophile by becoming a pedophile. You become one by starting with things like looking at pornography on your phone. If you’re a parent out there, and your children have access to a smartphone, you really need to think twice. None of my children in the home have a smartphone. None, except for my 21-year-old.
Josh McDowell says that the age that you want your children to look at pornography, that’s the age that you’ll need to buy them a smartphone, because that’s what will happen. I think that’s what I took away. What can I do, tangibly, to keep these children pure and innocent? I know people are listening, going, “Well, you can’t shelter them for too long.” Yes, you can, you can protect them as much as we’re able.
Nancy: Yes! A couple of comments there, I would agree with you, Allison. As I was watching that movie, I thought, “Well, yes, I think ten-year-olds could come and see this,” because although we know what’s happening, it’s not actually shown. But it does give, it would give even young children an awareness that they better not go off on their own with anyone!
I think they need to have that fear of God in their hearts in this day in which we are living, because there are predators all around us. In fact, you told me this story the other day of this guy you met. Even this godly family! Help!
Allison: That was a man we met in our town. But his brother is a missionary to Africa. Their daughter, their seventeen-year-old daughter, super-protective father. He described him as kind of a Navy SEAL. He could kill someone with his bare hands. He’s such a good, protective father.
Nancy: And how many children are in the family?
Allison: I think they had seven. The guy that I was talking to is one of 16. They live in Knoxville. His brother is in Africa. Their seventeen-year-old was hearing a sound that sounded like an injured animal. The seventeen-year-old went outside to listen for the sound. Her father had built this wall in the backyard to protect them because they’re in a dangerous area.
She hopped the wall to find out what the injured animal sound was. But it was not even a real animal sound. It was a trap. As soon as she jumped the wall, these guys grabbed her, and they took her into sex trafficking. She ended up breaking out of a bag. She was stuck in a bag. She had a pocketknife in her pocket, and she cut through the bag, jumped out of a moving truck. She ended up at a school, and they called the embassy, and got her reunited with her family.
We’re talking a very protective family, not a father that just lets them go wherever. Look what happened to her. I just think our awareness needs to be up there. Everyone needs to see this movie, if for no other reason, is that our awareness is heightened. We’ve always said, “We’re not doing overnights. We’re not doing youth groups.” Well, guess what? This is a great reason not to. Yes, you might say, “Oh, I know the people.”
In this day and age, if the statistics are true, and America is the number one, and our little children are being trafficked. I couldn’t believe how young, how young these children were, being trafficked. I don’t even understand what a five, six, and seven-year-old child would be, as a . . . I don’t even want my mind to go there, but we can’t just think this is teenage girls. This was all ages.
Nancy: Another question for you, Allison, you said, and it is true, I know your family so well, that they don’t have smartphones from the teens downwards. OK, many parents say, “Well, help! Our children demand them.” How do you do that in your family?
Allison: Our 17-year-old son has a flip phone, the old-fashioned flip phone. You can get it online. You can get it on eBay. He has no access to the internet. He is allowed to text. He only has about five or six people he’s allowed to text, outside of me and Daniel, because it’s just not necessary. It gets him in trouble.
Nancy: And the amazing thing is, now all your children, of course, you’ve got older children too, they are not rebellious about that?
Allison: They aren’t.
Nancy: How have you established that in your home?
Allison: We definitely believe we’re their authority. If they enjoy living in our home, they will respect our authority. I think it is harder when you’ve already done it, and then you have to take it away. But we established that from the get-go. They know that we’re not going to waver on that.
We spent hours explaining why. My husband’s dad was heavily into pornography. He was married six different times, and pornography was the basis of why he was divorced, because no woman can live up to that. It’s a false reality. We have that in our generational curses, and Daniel wants so badly to break that. You can’t just sit around and say, “Oh, I hope my children never get into that.” You’re foolish to think.
We found a trap with even having a tablet. We bought some Amazon Kindle tablets so they could do homeschooling on it. And boom! Pornography showed up, just by watching some YouTube videos. You type in “fishing.” They were watching fishing videos. And sure enough, within a few times of clicking, pornography showed up. Sadly, some of our sons watched some things and we were just horrified. Thankfully, we were there to deal with it.
I thought I was doing so good! So, I can be honest with you ladies listening. Just because we thought we had everything in line, Satan still got into my home, just through a little Kindle tablet. If you have access to the internet, they can have access to everything. Unfettered access to the worst pornography ever. That leads to more and more.
Those pedophiles on that movie last night that are now trafficking children for sex did it because they start with something a lot of people would call just “innocent looking.” No, there’s nothing “innocent” about looking at sexual images of women or children or ladies or men. It all leads to pure evil. I take it very seriously.
It saddens me when I see teens looking at their phones, because their parents don’t have time to look at what they’re looking at. I know, I’m so busy. I have too many children to go back, “Let me see what you’ve been looking at.” They can delete histories. It’s just so much better if you say, “There will not be an internet source in my home.”
Yes, we have internet, because obviously I have a phone. We work with our business. Our children have plenty of ability to get online. They know how to do it. They know how to run credit cards and get on different things for our business. But there is just no reason why children have to have access to the internet.
Nancy: I think that is wonderful. Also, you’ve laid down those ground rules for protection for your family. But it’s not like you are this legalistic family. Your family, everything you do is together. You are a togetherness family. You do everything together.
You have so much fun and adventure. Every day is a life of adventure and fun, so your children really don’t miss out. They’re living life! They’re not away in some room, or in the corner looking at iPhones. No! You’ve got them doing something. They’re on a project. They’re working. They’re doing this, or you’re doing this together.
Life is life! That’s the trouble. So many children today, and young people, they’re not even living life. They’re just living an alternative reality that’s not even real.
Allison: False reality.
Nancy: They’re hidden away. No! As we were talking last session about the decisions we make for our family, and this is one of the decisions we have to make, and that is that every decision we make will this strengthen our family, keep it together, or will it fragment? If it fragments, we don’t do it.
There is nothing like the internet to fragment your family. Everyone becomes their own little individual. They’re not even interacting with others. In fact, in many families, they bring their iPhones to the table! Goodness me! There is no togetherness. It’s all this isolation! And it fragments the family.
Allison: Video games. That’s another one we don’t do. We have not one single electronic device in our home, and yet my nine-year-old works three days a week at a coffee shop that we own. We have a vintage camper coffeeshop and she goes with her sisters every other day, running people’s credit cards, doing all kinds of electronic things. But when we’re in the home, we do not do anything that takes them to get away from the family. Everything we do is together.
Again, it all goes back to the authority structure. My husband is the head, but he’s in their life. He’s explaining. He’s not just laying down the rules. Rules without relationship lead to rebellion, right? That was the story of my life. That was the story of so many lives. If you don’t have that relationship, they don’t have a reason to trust you. My husband has his children’s hearts, so they trust that he really . . . They may want one, but they’d never voice that, because they know that he wants their best interests. He has their best interests at heart.
Nancy: Most of your children, right down to the youngest, have all got their own businesses. They are living life.
Allison: They don’t have time for any of that.
Nancy: Right down to who’s the youngest who’s got a business.
Allison: Even Solomon, who’s seven, will show up at the market and sell something. We have a little farmer’s market we run. He’ll make lemonade. He’ll sell lemonade. He’ll make boiled peanuts and sell those. Whatever he’s interested in that week. Sometimes it changes every week. But definitely the nine-year-old and above, they’re all making money.
Annalise is making meringues, homemade healthy meringues. We’ve got kefir being sold, sourdough starter, plants, trees, produce, all kinds of things. Even if it doesn’t sell, it doesn’t matter to me. They’re learning how to run a business, have good customer relations. But again, they’re keeping their hands busy with productive things.
Nancy: Oh, yes. Eden was up, staying the other week, and I was talking to her. How old is Eden now?
Allison: 21.
Nancy: 21. She was sharing with me. She said, “You know,” just casually, “I’ve got enough money to buy a house, so I’m looking around at houses, because I’d like to get an Airbnb going.” I thought, “Help, 21!” She’s a girl, 21 years old, and she is ready to buy a house. Because from a young child, she has been productive, making things and doing things, and making money, and saving it. Look where she is today. It’s amazing!
Allison: That’s right.
Nancy: They haven’t got time for stupid smartphones!
Allison: I was talking to Michelle’s son yesterday about all these projects. I’m so thankful that my children want to be a part of working on your house. I don’t have to even think, “Oh, I should ask Eden if she wants to help remodel the bathroom.” I know she’s going to want to help. I’m so happy about that.
I honestly feel sad if parents aren’t getting their children involved in projects like that because they’re missing out. It’s fun. They have that sense of accomplishment. They’re being trained so that when they have a home . . . think about it . . . Cedar right now is finishing this bathroom. He doesn’t have to be doing this. This is his holiday. He’s on vacation to be with his family.
But he’s doing it, because, number one, he loves you guys. But he’s learning from all these other men, these fathers, who already know how to do a bathroom. He’s learning, so that when he buys his next home, which he’s hoping to, soon . . . they want to buy another fixer-upper . . . he’s getting on-the-ground training from men. If you’re not having your children work on projects with your husband, you’re really missing out. I know we’re totally off subject, but . . .
Nancy: Oh, it’s so great! That brings me on to another point. But before we get onto that, there was something we didn’t have time to share the last session. And that was, when you were sharing about how important it is to strengthen your family. You and a couple of other couples went for a weekend. Tell us about that before we get into our next topic.
Allison: I think it was last April, or the April before, there was a family that came to the Above Rubies retreat. Their last name is Stewart. They have nine children. He shared with me that they have a family camp up in Arkansas. They own a section of the Ozark Mountains.
For his business, Mr. Stewart goes in and trains big, big corporations. We’re talking millions of dollars corporations, to look at their employees and figure out which employees work best on certain jobs. He goes in and helps them restructure. He does business coaching to where they can use the same people.
We all have different giftings. He thought, “I need to use this business that I’m doing but do it to help families.” They started a family camp up at their Brock Mountain Ministry in Arkansas. They have a free family camp where they allow two, three, four families to come in and spend three days and have intensive family bonding, training, goal-setting. It was incredible.
We did it with Serene’s family. We did it with our family, the Schrum’s, and then our married daughter. There were four families. It was a two-day retreat, two-day weekend. We did a hike. We did a fun scavenger hunt. Everything we did though, we did as a family. The goal was to really put your heads together and see which children bring what to the table.
They gave the example that if you go, say, grocery shopping, you wouldn’t have all your children empty your car, all the children put away the groceries, all the children do a certain thing. You would find each person’s strengths and put them on that job.
I think so often we all want to have the children God has for us. We have these big families, but sometimes we’re not using them properly. We’re not pulling out the giftings of each child. He talked about the four different birds, where we all have different personalities.
We have the eagles which are the leaders. They want to make a difference.
We have the parrots. They want to be a part of something fun.
Then you have the doves, the gentle ones. They want to help. They want to serve.
Then you have the owls that want to sit and think and make good decisions. We all, in our families, have children who identify with different personalities. They really worked on bringing those strengths to the surface.
Then at the end we made family goals, which was great. That’s something we love to do. We make weekly goals. We make monthly goals, and then we make yearly goals that we want to see accomplished as a family. Spiritual, financial, physical, emotional and relational goals.
Then we also, what was the last thing we did? Oh, I just went blank. As a family, you decided, oh yes, your mission statement. Your purpose: what is your purpose as a family? I wish I had mine written down, but the gist of it was to strengthen and to encourage our community while serving them, and letting them see us do Kingdom work, while helping our community reach physical and spiritual goals. I can’t remember the exact terms. But it was wonderful! We did it. We came up with our purpose statement together. Then we left feeling so much more unified.
Nancy: The amazing thing is, Allison, is that the Stewart family does this totally free. If you maybe have a need to get your family connected, oh my, you can contact them.
Allison: That’s right.
Nancy: You can go. They will take you. They do this freely. It’s one of their goals, to minister to families. How can they contact the Stewarts?
Allison: Their ministry is called Brock Mountain Ministries. Their website is www.brockmountainministries.com. You can go in there and learn the different dates that they’re doing these family camps. There’s a link on there. There are dates. You’re right. It’s completely at no cost other than your cost getting up there. They’ll house you. They’ll feed you, and they serve you. They won’t even let you lift a finger.
I encourage you to come as a complete family. The mother, the father; if you’re a single parent, bring your children. We left feeling like it was such a wonderful complement to the Above Rubies ministry, because sometimes at our family camps, we don’t have a lot of time to do the nuts and bolts, the axle, how we’re going to take this vision and work it out, flesh it out. That’s what it did.
I’d definitely encourage you to get in touch with their ministry. Amazing family. They’re so wonderful. Serene and her husband couldn’t get enough of it. They said, “How can we help so that they can keep doing this for more people?” I think their goal is to reach 400 families over the next five years. They have tangible goals as a family.
Nancy: That is wonderful. Then, the other thought is when you were talking about Cedar and Halle as a young couple. They’re just a young couple . . . how they’re moving on in their married life. You remember, my lovely listeners, that Colin and I have been talking to you about elevating the family, and elevating the glorious roles of fatherhood and motherhood, and elevating marriage. We do have some more to talk to you about together.
But going back to Malachi, and I think I’ll talk about this with Allison today, Malachi 2:14. We’ve been talking about this Scripture. It says here: “Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.”
The phrase there, that we haven’t talked about yet, is “the wife of thy youth.” It’s interesting that the Bible says those words. The Hebrew for “youth” in that Scripture means “the state of juvenility, youthfulness.” It means that, back then, when that was written, they were most probably married no later than their late teens, because they are still in their time of juvenility. That’s so different from today.
In fact, in the United States, the statistics for marriage today are that men are getting married at about 30 years of age, and nearly 28 years for women. That age is getting older and older. The statistics are getting older all the time, because we are no longer elevating marriage to where God placed it. We only have to, apart from the Bible, consider just how God created us.
When do hormones start to operate in a person’s life? When they are 25 or 28 years of age? No! In their teens! And yet, we’re depriving them. This is the time when God wants them to come together and get married. This is really how He created us.
Of course, we know that there are many who don’t find the one that God has for them at a younger age. It may be later when this Mr. Right comes. But when this one comes when they are younger, we should not be saying, “Oh, no, no, no, you’re too young! No!” No, because it is normal. It is natural. I believe it saves so much heartache.
Halle and Cedar are just one of so many couples. We have so many of our grandchildren, our grandsons, I should say, who were married at 18. All of them are not struggling. They came into marriage ready to provide, already with good jobs, already with the vision to embrace children, because if a couple are not ready to embrace children into their marriage, they are not ready to get married.
There are some 28 to 30-year-olds who still don’t want to have children straightaway. They are not ready for marriage. An 18-year-old couple who are ready to embrace children, and to live marriage the way God wants them to, are more ready for marriage. It’s not really the age. But we go back to Halle and Cedar. Cedar started to look at Halle when she was only 15. It kind of caught you on the cuff, didn’t it?
Allison: It did. It did. I was not ready for that! But it turned out to be such an amazing thing.
Nancy: Of course, you made them wait. [laughter]
Allison: Oh yes, yes, yes.
Nancy: And she was married at age . . .
Allison: 18. Yeah, that was not in my plan, because that’s not the way I . . . That’s the thing. You moms, even if that wasn’t your story, doesn’t mean it’s not the best way. I really had to reprogram my thinking. Yeah, I was just going along with what culture said, but really, watching them, oh, they’re so perfectly innocent. They’re so perfectly made for each other. There aren’t any others out there that can say they had a relationship with them. They were each other’s first everything.
Nancy: It’s so beautiful. All our grandchildren have married that first one. They haven’t had any things contaminating their minds with another girl or another guy. It’s so beautiful. It’s so pure, and so wonderful, isn’t it?
Allison: I just love it. I love watching Halle and Cedar. There’s no shame, because there’s nothing in their pasts that they have to be ashamed of.
Nancy: They don’t have hang-ups they’ve got to work through.
Allison: No, no, no.
Nancy: And now she’s expecting. In fact, we’re going to have a little baby shower today for her, aren’t we?
Allison: Yes, yes. She’s expecting their first. We joke, because both Cedar and Halle, we probably didn’t do the greatest job preparing them on the whole “birds and the bees” subject. I just didn’t. And Serene really didn’t either. But, you know, it doesn’t really matter. They got pregnant after two weeks of being married! The whole saying of you really need to experience before you get married, no, you don’t! No, you don’t! It ‘s not God’s plan.
In contrast to Halle, my situation was so different. I can’t even count how many boyfriends I had. I can’t even count! Probably close to thirty! I was constantly looking for that approval, so I was going from boy to boy to boy to boy. I wanted something so different for my children. I see now why.
Thankfully my girls have such a strong relationship with their dad. They don’t have that lack in their life. But yeah, there’s something beautiful about it. I didn’t even realize that the quote, “the wife of your youth” was even an age thing. I know that sounds silly. I heard that phrase, but really, her being so young, and him being so young, they really get to grow up together. They really are getting to experience life together.
Nancy: Yes. And that’s how it’s meant to be. It’s so beautiful. Now, we’re not just talking about some little idea that we had. This is biblical. The Bible not only talks about “the wife of your youth,” but it also speaks about “the husband of your youth” in Proverbs 2:17. It also speaks about “the children of your youth” in Psalm 127:4. This is Bible language. God planned for couples to come together in their youth, to have children in their youth. It’s Bible!
Sometimes I will talk about this on Facebook, and I get all these people writing in all their “but, but, but, buts.” Oh, goodness me! I can’t believe it! Many times, I’ll write about a scriptural thing. I speak Scripture, and then you get all the “but, but, but, buts”! Why can’t we just take the Scripture? It’s the Word of God! It’s the living Word of God! It is the truth, not all our ideas!
All our humanistic ideas, we’re seeing the fruit of them. Nothing but hurt, and mixed-up, and messed-up, and fragmented families, and broken marriages! Let’s get back to God’s way! But, of course, this can’t happen unless we train our young people and prepare them for marriage.
Oh, it’s all very well, talking about this, but no, they have got to be prepared for marriage, prepared to take responsibility, to provide for a family, and provide for a wife, so she can stay home and nest with the children God brings. A man who will become the head of the home, to protect and provide.
We are preparing our children. So many parents today, all they’re thinking about is getting their children into college for some career. Usually the degree that they get, they never use anyway. What are they doing in preparing them for the greatest career, which is to be a father, and a mother, and to raise a family? We’ve got to prepare our children for that.
Let them mature in their youth. You think of the young people in the Bible. Think of David. How old was he when he killed Goliath, and took on this giant? The Bible says he was a youth. Yes, he was a juvenile. Most commentaries say he was only about 17 years of age. Are your 17-year-old sons ready to take on this giant of evil who is defying the living God? David challenged him. “How dare you defy the living God? He is my God, and He will take you.” Yes.
You think of King Solomon, who ruled the greatest kingdom in the world at that time. He would have been no more than 20 years of age when he began to reign. Josephus actually puts his age at 14 years.
And you think of King Josiah, king, ruling a nation. He was only eight years when he became king, but, of course, he was guided by the priests, which were such a blessing to him.
But he was only 16 years of age. Sixteen! What’s your 16-year-old doing? He was only 16 years of age. Of his volition, the Bible says: “While he was yet young.” At 16 years, he began to seek after the God of David, his father. This is what we long to see in our young people, isn’t it? Seeking after God, growing into maturity, preparing for marriage. I think it’s good to bring this out there in the Scripture. We need to see that God’s way is best.
Our time is getting to a close, but anything you want to say there.
Allison: No. I just want to encourage people. I was reading some of the comments that you got when you made that post about Halle and Cedar marrying so young. The comments were, “Well, that might be good for you, but it’s been great for me to get married later.” I understand when people make that choice to maybe get married later, it doesn’t mean that what they’re doing is wrong.
But there’s always a better way. I think, as parents, and as Christians, we need to find the best way. Even if it’s not maybe the way we were raised or the way we’re currently doing it. You can do it better. If your children have iPhones right now, that doesn’t mean you can’t take them and throw them in the garbage and replace them with something else. You can’t be stuck in that situation. You’ve got to rise above.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. We’re in a culture right now that is in absolutely desperate times. You need to be going the opposite direction. You cannot fiddle around anymore and just go along with what the culture is seeking. You’re going to look like a crazy person to most people, but that’s OK. I say, “Bring it on!” I want my children to not have to fall into this.
If you’re doing something, or you were married older, or your children are stuck into video games, don’t hear what we’re not saying. Don’t hear, “Oh, you’re terrible! You’re doing bad things!” No! Change!
Nancy: Amen. The answer in this hour comes back to us parents, to family. It’s as families strengthen that this nation will strengthen. I’m sure that by now, you should have received the new Above Rubies magazine, Number 101. There’s a great article in it by Pete Pierson called “Pioneer Parenting.” Don’t forget to read it! It will really encourage you.
So, let’s pray.
“Father, we thank You that Allison and I could share our hearts with You, with our lovely mothers and wives, again. Lord, we pray that You will speak to their hearts. Lord God, arrest their hearts. Lord, I pray for each one listening, and all those not listening. I pray, Lord God, that You will arrest the hearts of fathers and mothers, Lord, that this is their most important work. All this other stuff that they’re doing, Lord God, is not as important as bringing their families together and strengthening their families, Lord God, and making them godly families.
“It doesn’t just happen. It takes prayer. It takes time. It takes sharing. It takes our lives. Lord God, I pray that You will pour out this anointing upon them! Lord, we pray for the strengthening of families all over this nation. We ask it, we pray for revival, for the turning of the hearts of the fathers and the mothers back to the home, oh God, and back to Your ways, and Your truths. We ask it in the precious, lovely Name of Jesus. Amen”.
And, dear, lovely listeners, please share this podcast, and the other podcasts on your social media with your friends. We have to get the message out. We are getting a message of deception and evil that’s going out of this nation. We’ve got to get out God’s truth, especially for families. Please share it! Every way you can. Amen?
Allison: Amen.
Blessings from Nancy Campbell
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